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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2014 11:27:35 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~you~?
(For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT.
So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof, desire, probably a greater part) and then there is ~you~ as attending, in some sense.
To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you? And in what sense are you?
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 11:30:26 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you?sdp Sitting in front of my laptop. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2014 11:37:39 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you?sdp Sitting in front of my laptop. That's actually a very good answer. How do you know this? sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 11:39:36 GMT -5
Sitting in front of my laptop. That's actually a very good answer. How do you know this? sdp He's wrong, the correct answer is: standing in front of my desktop. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2014 11:43:07 GMT -5
That's actually a very good answer. How do you know this? sdp He's wrong, the correct answer is: standing in front of my desktop. Likewise, how do you know? sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 11:58:30 GMT -5
Sitting in front of my laptop. That's actually a very good answer. How do you know this? sdp How? I am aware of the experience of sitting in front of my laptop. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 12:32:38 GMT -5
He's wrong, the correct answer is: standing in front of my desktop. Likewise, how do you know? sdp Just appearances, nothing special. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 14, 2014 12:40:52 GMT -5
That's actually a very good answer. How do you know this? sdp How? I am aware of the experience of sitting in front of my laptop. How? ......... |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 12:56:30 GMT -5
How? I am aware of the experience of sitting in front of my laptop. How? ......... What? Sorry, I don't speak periods. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 13:01:31 GMT -5
What? Sorry, I don't speak periods. ... "omission" or "falling short" is a series of dots that usually indicates an intentional omission of a word, sentence, or whole section from a text without altering its original meaning. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 14:10:12 GMT -5
What? Sorry, I don't speak periods. ... "omission" or "falling short" is a series of dots that usually indicates an intentional omission of a word, sentence, or whole section from a text without altering its original meaning. Then the answer to the How? ....... question, is the asking of the How? ......... question itself. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 14:37:00 GMT -5
Ellipsis ... "omission" or "falling short" is a series of dots that usually indicates an intentional omission of a word, sentence, or whole section from a text without altering its original meaning. Then the answer to the How? ....... question, is the asking of the How? ......... question itself. I'm not sure.... I was only addressing the dots portion of the Q&A I think the dots have good value....  |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2014 14:42:49 GMT -5
Then the answer to the How? ....... question, is the asking of the How? ......... question itself. I'm not sure.... I was only addressing the dots portion of the Q&A I think the dots have good value.... Thank-you. In return if sdp asks you the same How? ...... question, you can borrow my answer if you like. I stole it anyway. |
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Post by laughter on May 14, 2014 15:45:31 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you?sdp Sitting in front of my laptop. (** breathes in, breathes out **) |
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Post by laughter on May 14, 2014 15:46:36 GMT -5
That's actually a very good answer. How do you know this? sdp He's wrong, the correct answer is: standing in front of my desktop. |
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