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Post by laughter on May 16, 2014 12:27:06 GMT -5
No joke -- at the 'pilgrim's request any correct answers will be deleted for now.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 12:43:07 GMT -5
So you don't have a recollection of deep sleep, but you know something was or wasn't there? I don't know, but maybe your confusing what you 'believe' is there in deep sleep with what is 'experienced' there, if anything. No. No confusion here. sdp Good. Some people have the strange belief that they can experience the presence or absence of something in deep sleep. Glad your not one of them. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 16, 2014 12:45:42 GMT -5
No joke -- at the 'pilgrim's request any correct answers will be deleted for now. As laughter can't lock the thread, and I haven't/won't give him the answer (so as not to spoil it for him either), in case I do not catch a correct answer to relay to him to delete it, we'll just trust that, once you get it you'll not spoil it for others by posting it. As I posted before, you can PM me when you know the answer and I'll acknowledge who, besides zd, got it.........I can't hang around all day and laughter probably can't either. (If I get a PM it will have a time stamp). And if anybody else gets it before 12:00 noon Saturday EDST, we'll spill the beans then..........  sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 12:54:13 GMT -5
No joke -- at the 'pilgrim's request any correct answers will be deleted for now. So we can only post wrong answers? That's not confusing. Okay, here's mine, wait, actually I forgot the question. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 16, 2014 13:00:09 GMT -5
No joke -- at the 'pilgrim's request any correct answers will be deleted for now. So we can only post wrong answers? That's not confusing. Okay, here's mine, wait, actually I forgot the question. You can post anything you please, however, I trust I have been clear......if you come to know the answer, just pretend that you are Copernicus and if you spill the beans that the earth revolves around the Sun, and not the reverse, the Inquisition is gonna get you.......... sdp |
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Post by laughter on May 16, 2014 13:06:08 GMT -5
No joke -- at the 'pilgrim's request any correct answers will be deleted for now. So we can only post wrong answers? That's not confusing. Okay, here's mine, wait, actually I forgot the question.
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Post by laughter on May 16, 2014 13:15:12 GMT -5
So we can only post wrong answers? That's not confusing. Okay, here's mine, wait, actually I forgot the question. You can post anything you please, however, I trust I have been clear......just pretend that you are Copernicus and if you spill the beans that the earth revolves around the Sun, and not the reverse, the Inquisition is gonna get you.......... sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 16, 2014 13:20:56 GMT -5
No joke -- at the 'pilgrim's request any correct answers will be deleted for now. So we can only post wrong answers? That's not confusing. Okay, here's mine, wait, actually I forgot the question. zd showed that he's got the answer even without giving the answer. "Go thou and do likewise"  . sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 13:27:33 GMT -5
So we can only post wrong answers? That's not confusing. Okay, here's mine, wait, actually I forgot the question. zd showed that he's got the answer even without giving the answer. " Go thou and do likewise" . sdp I don't see it happening in this particular moment, but anything is possible. Oh wait, there is only this moment, so I guess it definitely wont' be happening. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 16, 2014 18:22:09 GMT -5
I won't say, because at this point it would be overkill, but that which is missing isn't missed when it is missing. *chuckle* I've altered this a little, That which is missed, isn't missing, when it is missed. I presume nobody has gotten it yet. This means that everybody did not experience the (non)absence of the answer-to-the-question (slight edit), since reading the thread (but sometimes moving from absence to [non]absence is illusive). I've thought of about a dozen hints, the first will come at 12:00 noon Saturday (if I am not otherwise occupied), if somebody hasn't gotten it by then.  sdp |
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Post by topology on May 16, 2014 18:39:33 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof, desire, probably a greater part) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you? And in what sense are you? sdp Using an alternating substitution cypher where the odd characters are advanced 7*i letters (where i is the ith odd character) and the even characters are advanced by 2+3i letters (where i is the ith even letter), we get the following: A-T-A-M-T 1 - 20 - 1 - 13 - 20 1+(7*1) = 8 20 + (2+3*1) = 25 1 + (7*2) = 15 13 + (2 + 3*2) = 21 20 + (7*3) = 41 % 26 = 15 8 - 25 - 15 - 21 - 15 H - Y - O - U - O Given the above, I think its obvious where Y-O-U is in ATA-MT. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 16, 2014 18:53:16 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof, desire, probably a greater part) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you? And in what sense are you? sdp Using an alternating substitution cypher where the odd characters are advanced 7*i letters (where i is the ith odd character) and the even characters are advanced by 2+3i letters (where i is the ith even letter), we get the following: A-T-A-M-T 1 - 20 - 1 - 13 - 20 1+(7*1) = 8 20 + (2+3*1) = 25 1 + (7*2) = 15 13 + (2 + 3*2) = 21 20 + (7*3) = 41 % 26 = 15 8 - 25 - 15 - 21 - 15 H - Y - O - U - O Given the above, I think its obvious where Y-O-U is in ATA-MT. It's a very good thing that it's obvious, then. sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 18:57:46 GMT -5
I won't say, because at this point it would be overkill, but that which is missing isn't missed when it is missing. *chuckle* I've altered this a little, That which is missed, isn't missing, when it is missed. I presume nobody has gotten it yet. This means that everybody did not experience the (non)absence of _______ (slight edit), since reading the thread (but sometimes moving from absence to [non]absence is illusive). I've thought of about a dozen hints, the first will come at 12:00 noon Saturday (if I am not otherwise occupied), if somebody hasn't gotten it by then. sdp Yes, because to "not experience" the (non)absence of ______ by definition, is not an 'experience'. And if it is not an experience than it can only be a belief. I think what you mean to say is that we never 'experience' the absence of _____. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 16, 2014 18:59:47 GMT -5
I've altered this a little, That which is missed, isn't missing, when it is missed. I presume nobody has gotten it yet. This means that everybody did not experience the (non)absence of _______ (slight edit), since reading the thread (but sometimes moving from absence to [non]absence is illusive). I've thought of about a dozen hints, the first will come at 12:00 noon Saturday (if I am not otherwise occupied), if somebody hasn't gotten it by then. sdp Yes, because to "not experience" the (non)absence of ______ by definition, is not an 'experience'. And if it is not an experience than it can only be a belief. Not a belief. (After you started writing your post I edited again, trying for more clarity, it didn't change the meaning). sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2014 19:06:05 GMT -5
Yes, because to "not experience" the (non)absence of ______ by definition, is not an 'experience'. And if it is not an experience than it can only be a belief. Not a belief. sdp If it is not a belief, tell me about your experience of the non-experience of the (non)absence of _____. |
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