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Post by teetown on May 20, 2014 19:41:43 GMT -5
This would be why I prefer physical answers rather than worded ones. Shorry, it's necessary to ask you a few questions before your winnings can be transferred to your bank account.  So what you mean to say is that your attention is focused on the bodily senses? It's about time you broke out the sledgehammer.  |
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Post by teetown on May 20, 2014 19:47:51 GMT -5
This would be why I prefer physical answers rather than worded ones. That probably works, when the questioner and the answerer, are physically present to each other. To the marrow of my bones (indicating all of them) would have been OK. From the tip of my toes to the top of my head, would have been OK. I don't doubt that you had it. Sunday night I told mamza I was 99 & 44/100% sure he had it, but an indication of the whole was important to me. sdp My guess is quite a few people knew what you were getting at, they just weren't interested in playing your game of "guess what I'm thinking." |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:16:18 GMT -5
Its interesting this emphasis on body and sensory awareness that this thread is talking about in light of some 'out of body' stuff thats been going on over here lately...
I started running again, and am a 43 year old couch (or meditation pillow) potato that is 70 pounds over weight.
I've been running for only a couple weeks, but ran the half marathon distance this last weekend without walking or taking a break...almost 3 hours of continuous running with no real preparation or conditioning to support it...
The only way I was able to do it, and do other long runs of an hour or more everyday lately, is that I kinda shut off almost all awareness of the body...It's hard to describe, but I just kinda exit the body and its sensory perceptions and just let it go on autopilot so to speak. It feels kinda like flying without a body.
Occasionally something will happen, like I will just start running so fluidly hat the speed will surprise me and kinda pull me back into body awareness, and then there is much pain and discomfort, and even a touch of fear that I am going too far beyond this body's limits, and could be doing damage...but then I just move out of the body again and let it go on autopilot...seems like when this happens the body tales care of itself by running efficiently etc.
The main thing is though, that when I'm 'flying', there is no body awareness, only a kind of feeling of a body-less me in effortless motion...the mind is still active as it ever is during these periods, but the awareness of body is missing, much like it is in deep Samadhi or sleep.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:17:20 GMT -5
That probably works, when the questioner and the answerer, are physically present to each other. To the marrow of my bones (indicating all of them) would have been OK. From the tip of my toes to the top of my head, would have been OK. I don't doubt that you had it. Sunday night I told mamza I was 99 & 44/100% sure he had it, but an indication of the whole was important to me. sdp My guess is quite a few people knew what you were getting at, they just weren't interested in playing your game of "guess what I'm thinking." Pretty funny how a lot of the people, including myself, realize that we aren't bodies and yet we couldn't figure out the question. It just shows how the body has become a habitual way of thinking about ourselves, despite our experience to the contrary. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:17:53 GMT -5
That probably works, when the questioner and the answerer, are physically present to each other. To the marrow of my bones (indicating all of them) would have been OK. From the tip of my toes to the top of my head, would have been OK. I don't doubt that you had it. Sunday night I told mamza I was 99 & 44/100% sure he had it, but an indication of the whole was important to me. sdp My guess is quite a few people knew what you were getting at, they just weren't interested in playing your game of "guess what I'm thinking." Not to be rude, sincerely...but Yep. Still though, that little weird jaunt did seem to focus some folk's attention in a direction that was useful for them to look in.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:21:03 GMT -5
Its interesting this emphasis on body and sensory awareness that this thread is talking about in light of some 'out of body' stuff thats been going on over here lately... I started running again, and am a 43 year old couch (or meditation pillow) potato that is 70 pounds over weight. I've been running for only a couple weeks, but ran the half marathon distance this last weekend without walking or taking a break...almost 3 hours of continuous running with no real preparation or conditioning to support it... The only way I was able to do it, and do other long runs of an hour or more everyday lately, is that I kinda shut off almost all awareness of the body...It's hard to describe, but I just kinda exit the body and its sensory perceptions and just let it go on autopilot so to speak. It feels kinda like flying without a body. Occasionally something will happen, like I will just start running so fluidly hat the speed will surprise me and kinda pull me back into body awareness, and then there is much pain and discomfort, and even a touch of fear that I am going too far beyond this body's limits, and could be doing damage...but then I just move out of the body again and let it go on autopilot...seems like when this happens the body tales care of itself by running efficiently etc. The main thing is though, that when I'm 'flying', there is no body awareness, only a kind of feeling of a body-less me in effortless motion...the mind is still active as it ever is during these periods, but the awareness of body is missing, much like it is in deep Samadhi or sleep. It's not missing, it's never been there. |
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Post by tzujanli on May 20, 2014 20:21:28 GMT -5
Restate your question, please.. It's in the link that I've bolded above, but in summary you state to say there are situations that "can't be talked about" is the nondualist's escape clause, when their understandings are exposed as beliefs/attachments I'd like to see some evidence of this. Some quotes to support your position. Search this forum for the term 'ineffable', or the times that different nondualists have said to me that 'it' can't be explained because it's 'beyond words'.. yet, the same nondualists will talk endlessly about 'it', until asked to explain the inconsistencies.. will i do the searching to prove what i have experienced, no.. you've been here long enough to know my claims are valid, so if you actually want to discuss the actualities, or understand the questions i asked, you will.. but, pretending that my lack of inclination to fetch quotes, to demonstrate what is obvious to anyone that spends much time here.. to pretend that is a valid excuse for not answering questions that exposes issues you are uncomfortable discussing is consistent with the behavior you are seeking quotes to demonstrate.. |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:32:23 GMT -5
Its interesting this emphasis on body and sensory awareness that this thread is talking about in light of some 'out of body' stuff thats been going on over here lately... I started running again, and am a 43 year old couch (or meditation pillow) potato that is 70 pounds over weight. I've been running for only a couple weeks, but ran the half marathon distance this last weekend without walking or taking a break...almost 3 hours of continuous running with no real preparation or conditioning to support it... The only way I was able to do it, and do other long runs of an hour or more everyday lately, is that I kinda shut off almost all awareness of the body...It's hard to describe, but I just kinda exit the body and its sensory perceptions and just let it go on autopilot so to speak. It feels kinda like flying without a body. Occasionally something will happen, like I will just start running so fluidly hat the speed will surprise me and kinda pull me back into body awareness, and then there is much pain and discomfort, and even a touch of fear that I am going too far beyond this body's limits, and could be doing damage...but then I just move out of the body again and let it go on autopilot...seems like when this happens the body tales care of itself by running efficiently etc. The main thing is though, that when I'm 'flying', there is no body awareness, only a kind of feeling of a body-less me in effortless motion...the mind is still active as it ever is during these periods, but the awareness of body is missing, much like it is in deep Samadhi or sleep. It's not missing, it's never been there. Ahh...I forgot that many of you are only just now beginning to realize that all of these appearances are just aggregated sensory perceptions happening in the mind, with no independent 'reality' of their own lol Soon you will figure out that its all just different kinds of passing thoughts, including the sensory perceptions that you define as 'the real'. ZD is 'advanced' in the 'living' of this path more than most of you will ever fully realize in this lifetime, but even he has not yet realized that sensory perceptions are just as much ephemeral thoughts as a judgement call about right or wrong etc. Good to see many of you starting to move in the direction of 'beyond that' with regard to the body and sensory perceptions being more real than any other kinds of thoughts :-) |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 20, 2014 20:34:06 GMT -5
My guess is quite a few people knew what you were getting at, they just weren't interested in playing your game of "guess what I'm thinking." Not to be rude, sincerely...but Yep. Still though, that little weird jaunt did seem to focus some folk's attention in a direction that was useful for them to look in. "Not to be rude, sincerely....but Yep". is why I said that nobody would believe me if I posted it, it's so obvious once you know it (believe me as in...duh-h-h....) "Still though, that little weird jaunt......" is what I wanted individuals to see for themselves, why I didn't want to post the answer. Thanks for pointing that out. sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 20, 2014 20:36:27 GMT -5
My guess is quite a few people knew what you were getting at, they just weren't interested in playing your game of "guess what I'm thinking." Pretty funny how a lot of the people, including myself, realize that we aren't bodies and yet we couldn't figure out the question. It just shows how the body has become a habitual way of thinking about ourselves, despite our experience to the contrary. Thank you for that rupa. sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 20, 2014 20:39:42 GMT -5
That probably works, when the questioner and the answerer, are physically present to each other. To the marrow of my bones (indicating all of them) would have been OK. From the tip of my toes to the top of my head, would have been OK. I don't doubt that you had it. Sunday night I told mamza I was 99 & 44/100% sure he had it, but an indication of the whole was important to me. sdp , they just weren't interested in playing your game of "guess what I'm thinking." I'd be interested in hearing from those people. sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:40:42 GMT -5
It's not missing, it's never been there. Ahh...I forgot that many of you are only just now beginning to realize that all of these appearances are just aggregated sensory perceptions happening in the mind, with no independent 'reality' of their own lol Soon you will figure out that its all just different kinds of passing thoughts, including the sensory perceptions that you define as 'the real'. ZD is 'advanced' on this path more than most of you will ever fully realize in this lifetime, but even he has not yet realized that sensory perceptions are just as much ephemeral thoughts as a judgement call about right or wrong etc. Good to see many of you starting to move in the direction of 'beyond that' with regard to the body and sensory perceptions being more real than any other kinds of thoughts :-) Sorry I don't understand, you think sensations are thoughts? Seeing is a thought? Hearing is a thought? And tasting is a thought? And all these perceptions and thoughts happen in a mind? |
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Post by laughter on May 20, 2014 20:57:19 GMT -5
Are you in the body or just kinda hitching a ride? This would be why I prefer physical answers rather than worded ones. (** skijump! **) |
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Post by earnest on May 20, 2014 21:00:33 GMT -5
It's in the link that I've bolded above, but in summary you state I'd like to see some evidence of this. Some quotes to support your position. Search this forum for the term 'ineffable', or the times that different nondualists have said to me that 'it' can't be explained because it's 'beyond words'.. yet, the same nondualists will talk endlessly about 'it', until asked to explain the inconsistencies.. will i do the searching to prove what i have experienced, no.. you've been here long enough to know my claims are valid, so if you actually want to discuss the actualities, or understand the questions i asked, you will.. but, pretending that my lack of inclination to fetch quotes, to demonstrate what is obvious to anyone that spends much time here.. to pretend that is a valid excuse for not answering questions that exposes issues you are uncomfortable discussing is consistent with the behavior you are seeking quotes to demonstrate.. No pretending, I just asked you a simple question. Show me the writings or views of others that hold the same/similar perspective as you. I was doing this as a means of exploration as I find you really difficult to understand. I was thinking that if you gave me some quotes then I might be able to triangulate something from you and them. *feels warmth of sun and listens to breeze in trees* *bows and walks away* |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 21:02:36 GMT -5
Ahh...I forgot that many of you are only just now beginning to realize that all of these appearances are just aggregated sensory perceptions happening in the mind, with no independent 'reality' of their own lol Soon you will figure out that its all just different kinds of passing thoughts, including the sensory perceptions that you define as 'the real'. ZD is 'advanced' in the actual 'living' of this path more than most of you will ever fully realize in this lifetime, but even he has not yet realized that sensory perceptions are just as much ephemeral thoughts as a judgement call about right or wrong etc. Good to see many of you starting to move in the direction of 'beyond that' with regard to the body and sensory perceptions being more real than any other kinds of thoughts :-) Sorry I don't understand, you think sensations are thoughts? Seeing is a thought? Hearing is a thought? And tasting is a thought? I think you will find this to be obvious if you investigate ;-) Not all thoughts are 'word' thoughts, haha, not even all people 'think' using word thoughts, some people think in terms of images, especially lifelong deaf people. Look closely at the process by which you 'perceive' any sensory experience, look at an object intently, then close your eyes and still see it in your mind's eye, then open your eyes again and look...repeat this in rapid succession, opening and closing your eyes quickly....see where the 'sensory' field appears and where the imaginary sensory field appear...are they not both in your mind? If you spend a few days observing sensory perceptions VERY closely, you will see that 'sensory' perceptions arise in the mind just like any other thoughts. |
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