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Post by tzujanli on May 18, 2014 12:11:09 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof, desire, probably a greater part) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you? And in what sense are you? sdp 'You', as the individuation of a greater whole, are present and not engaging active thinking as the explanation of your experience.. you are in the sense of openness, allowing your senses to inform you, and senses are not limited by traditional interpretations limited to 'five' senses.. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 12:12:27 GMT -5
That's actually a very good answer. How do you know this? sdp How? I am aware of the experience of sitting in front of my laptop. rupa, as I said, you were close to the answer. But silver was also close last night. I wanted to make sure you had the experience of the answer, not just the answer, likewise silver last night. Maxprophet doesn't count because he was just playing off what you posted. laughter was even closer to the answer, but likewise, I wanted to know if he was really experiencing what he wrote, not just writing the words. I think pretty-much, if you get it, you know it, and to get it you almost have to experience it. (although I have practically given it away, last night and this morning, so now you can know it without experiencing it) laughter didn't follow-up, so I figured he didn't get this (come to experience the answer) earnest was very close also. The view numbers are still going up, so somebody is still interested. sdp . |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 12:15:03 GMT -5
When ~you~ ATA-MT, where are ~ you~? (For any new people, ATA-MT is zd's attending the actual, minus thoughts). And, some, probably most here find the MT part not so easy. I've tried to consider an aid to this. When you are reading a book you are replacing the words for your own thoughts. So in a sense when you read you are ATA-MT, they're just somebody else's thoughts, not your own. This shows you can ATA-MT. Next try looking at a work of art, a painting or a sculpture. You can look at it, attend to it, without an internal verbal commentary. And then when you can begin to see that, you can ATA(anything)-MT. So there is ~you~ as self (thoughts being a major part thereof, desire, probably a greater part) and then there is ~ you~ as attending, in some sense. To cut to the chase, this thread is a continuation of the Presence or Absence thread, a sort of Part B. So, the question remains, in ATA-MT, where are you? And in what sense are you? sdp 'You', as the individuation of a greater whole, are present and not engaging active thinking as the explanation of your experience.. you are in the sense of openness, allowing your senses to inform you, and senses are not limited by traditional interpretations limited to 'five' senses.. That's pretty good. Can you put all that into two words? sdp |
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Post by topology on May 18, 2014 12:18:52 GMT -5
How? I am aware of the experience of sitting in front of my laptop. rupa, as I said, you were close to the answer. But silver was also close last night. I wanted to make sure you had the experience of the answer, not just the answer, likewise silver last night. Maxprophet doesn't count because he was just playing off what you posted. laughter was even closer to the answer, but likewise, I wanted to know if he was really experiencing what he wrote, not just writing the words. I think pretty-much, if you get it, you know it, and to get it you almost have to experience it. (although I have practically given it away, last night and this morning, so now you can know it without experiencing it) laughter didn't follow-up, so I figured he didn't get this (come to experience the answer) earnest was very close also. The view numbers are still going up, so somebody is still interested. sdp . Or people Are in the habit of clicking on the new post icon and read what was added to return to a state of having read everything on the forum. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 12:18:58 GMT -5
How? I am aware of the experience of sitting in front of my laptop. rupa, as I said, you were close to the answer. But silver was also close last night. I wanted to make sure you had the experience of the answer, not just the answer, likewise silver last night. Maxprophet doesn't count because he was just playing off what you posted. laughter was even closer to the answer, but likewise, I wanted to know if he was really experiencing what he wrote, not just writing the words. I think pretty-much, if you get it, you know it, and to get it you almost have to experience it. (although I have practically given it away, last night and this morning, so now you can know it without experiencing it) laughter didn't follow-up, so I figured he didn't get this (come to experience the answer) earnest was very close also. The view numbers are still going up, so somebody is still interested. sdp . My Boston Terrier is sitting on my lap while I'm typing and I just noticed that my butt is going numb. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 12:24:09 GMT -5
rupa, as I said, you were close to the answer. But silver was also close last night. I wanted to make sure you had the experience of the answer, not just the answer, likewise silver last night. Maxprophet doesn't count because he was just playing off what you posted. laughter was even closer to the answer, but likewise, I wanted to know if he was really experiencing what he wrote, not just writing the words. I think pretty-much, if you get it, you know it, and to get it you almost have to experience it. (although I have practically given it away, last night and this morning, so now you can know it without experiencing it) laughter didn't follow-up, so I figured he didn't get this (come to experience the answer) earnest was very close also. The view numbers are still going up, so somebody is still interested. sdp . My Boston Terrier is sitting on my lap while I'm typing and I just noticed that my butt is going numb. But previous to that? sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 12:25:18 GMT -5
rupa, as I said, you were close to the answer. But silver was also close last night. I wanted to make sure you had the experience of the answer, not just the answer, likewise silver last night. Maxprophet doesn't count because he was just playing off what you posted. laughter was even closer to the answer, but likewise, I wanted to know if he was really experiencing what he wrote, not just writing the words. I think pretty-much, if you get it, you know it, and to get it you almost have to experience it. (although I have practically given it away, last night and this morning, so now you can know it without experiencing it) laughter didn't follow-up, so I figured he didn't get this (come to experience the answer) earnest was very close also. The view numbers are still going up, so somebody is still interested. sdp . Or people Are in the habit of clicking on the new post icon and read what was added to return to a state of having read everything on the forum. Would that not be interest? (And just BTW, that is not a hint). sdp |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 12:30:48 GMT -5
rupa, previous to that, I presume you did not experience the (non)absence of your ____.
(I forgot you don't like dots periods).......
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 12:34:33 GMT -5
What? Sorry, I don't speak periods. sdp |
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Post by topology on May 18, 2014 12:37:05 GMT -5
Or people Are in the habit of clicking on the new post icon and read what was added to return to a state of having read everything on the forum. Would that not be interest? (And just BTW, that is not a hint). sdp If Google's robot web-crawlers caused the thread view numbers to increase, would you call that an interest by another that would impact your interest in continuing this game? |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 12:49:15 GMT -5
Would that not be interest? (And just BTW, that is not a hint). sdp If Google's robot web-crawlers caused the thread view numbers to increase, would you call that an interest by another that would impact your interest in continuing this game? I thought you meant ST's forum members or guests. I almost can't say anything else anyway without saying the answer. I'm headed out to lunch, and grocery-buying and parent-visiting. I'll probably be out all afternoon. later....... sdp |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 12:55:57 GMT -5
My Boston Terrier is sitting on my lap while I'm typing and I just noticed that my butt is going numb. But previous to that? sdp There is no previous to that, just like there isn't a previous to this. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2014 13:00:33 GMT -5
rupa, previous to that, I presume you did not experience the (non)absence of your ____. (I forgot you don't like dots periods)....... Sorry, I don't know, I'll just have to trust your presuming. |
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Post by topology on May 18, 2014 13:08:33 GMT -5
If Google's robot web-crawlers caused the thread view numbers to increase, would you call that an interest by another that would impact your interest in continuing this game? I thought you meant ST's forum members or guests. I almost can't say anything else anyway without saying the answer. I'm headed out to lunch, and grocery-buying and parent-visiting. I'll probably be out all afternoon. later....... sdp I am using the analogy to make it clear as to what kind of interest is at play when someone habitually clicks on the new post icon and scans the content because it is new and not because of the nature of the content. If this is the kind of interest that keeps you interested in continuing the thread... I can accept that something in you is getting fed off of seeing the view counter increase. |
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Post by stardustpilgrim on May 18, 2014 13:17:56 GMT -5
There is a saying, If the shoe fits, you forget your foot. (that's a hint).
Fingers have been mentioned, butts, heads, toes, but not the whole.
Say you had a very bad pain in your mid-section. Where would you say the pain was?
Whatever your answer is, broaden it, broaden it to the whole.
And if you get the answer, you can go back and see that it fits, everywhere. And also see all the hints that I didn't point precisely to. Good luck, everybody.
later........
sdp
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