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Post by divinity on Sept 1, 2009 21:45:07 GMT -5
As I read the postings here, it seems we all seem to have been searching for peace, joy, enlightenment, truth... whatever for our whole lives.
Do you think we ever come to the end of our search?
We only want happiness when we are not happy, and there are many things, concepts, teachings, which we think will fill the void. Do any permanently satisfy?
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Post by zendancer on Sept 2, 2009 7:31:26 GMT -5
Divinity: You wrote, "Do we ever come to the end of our search?" Yes. "Do any concepts or teachings permanently satisfy?" No.
Most people in the world are satisfied with sets of inane ideas--Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu--take your pick. This is because they don't know that an alternative to ideas, beliefs, concepts, doctrines, etc. exists. They have been conditioned to perceive and live in a thought-created world. They live in a dream, they get married in a dream, they have children in a dream, and they die in a dream. Most people don't have a clue about the truth.
If you are on this website, then you have already intuited that something radically different is possible. What you are searching for is not happiness but communion. The universe, through your body/mind, is wanting to wake up to itself and interact with itself directly.
You wrote, "Do any (teachings) permanently satisfy?" Ask yourself this, "Who is it that wants to be permanently satisfied?" Who do you THINK you are? Is that different than who you are? Do you THINK (imagine) that you are a woman? Do you THINK that you are a human being? Do you THINK that you are a spiritual person? Do you THINK that you are someone who has special gifts? If you throw all of these absurd ideas away and proceed into the unknown, without knowing who (or what) you are, but wanting to know, then you will have a good chance of discovering what you're searching for.
I hate to tell you this (LOL), but when you find THAT, you won't be there! The price of entry is "you." Cheers.
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 2, 2009 9:46:51 GMT -5
Yes, the search comes to an end, but fulfillment is not a static or stagnant thing. It's a process itself. Once the process of fulfillment starts, then fulfillment is appreciated in an ever deepening way. As I read the postings here, it seems we all seem to have been searching for peace, joy, enlightenment, truth... whatever for our whole lives. Do you think we ever come to the end of our search? We only want happiness when we are not happy, and there are many things, concepts, teachings, which we think will fill the void. Do any permanently satisfy? |
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Post by divinity on Sept 2, 2009 17:28:18 GMT -5
I think that the eternal energy which we are can be eternally taking different forms to experience more and more.
Interesting answers to my questions.
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Post by shane on Sept 3, 2009 4:30:55 GMT -5
YOU WON'T THERE'S NO YOU. FALSE sELF CAN'T IDENTIFY FALSE sELF. HERE IS THIS I WANTING SOMETHING AGAIN, THIS TIME IT'S ENLIGHTMENT INSTEAD OF A BEER OR SEX OR MONEY ETC. THOUGHT WILL NOT AID YOU IN ANY WAY.
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 3, 2009 10:00:34 GMT -5
Enlightenment is not some concept, but a placeholder for pointing to That which cannot be said. YOU WON'T THERE'S NO YOU. FALSE sELF CAN'T IDENTIFY FALSE sELF. HERE IS THIS I WANTING SOMETHING AGAIN, THIS TIME IT'S ENLIGHTMENT INSTEAD OF A BEER OR SEX OR MONEY ETC. THOUGHT WILL NOT AID YOU IN ANY WAY. |
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Post by eputkonen on Sept 3, 2009 10:38:07 GMT -5
Do you think we ever come to the end of our search? Yes. My search has ended and it has ended for others as well. It comes down to seeing through the ego (aka Awakening & Enlightenment). As long as the ego is believed, the search is never ending. No teaching, concept, or thing of any kind will fill the void. Even Awakening/Enlightenment does not fill the void. But when you realize who and what you really are...you realize you are THAT (which includeds the void) and so the void no longer causes dissatisfaction. So upon Awakening & Enlightenment there is contentment and satisfaction that does not go away or disappear. |
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Post by divinity on Sept 4, 2009 15:31:17 GMT -5
I think there are as many perceptions of this as there are humans on the planet at any given time. We can only share what worked for us... which probably won't work for anyone else.
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Post by fear on Sept 4, 2009 23:24:08 GMT -5
"We can only share what worked for us... which probably won't work for anyone else." Divinity
I agree with this statement. As I read in "Song of the bird" by Anthony Demello. You can't cut the man to fit the suit.
The search never comes to an end in the way everything else comes to an end. The search and everything with it is thrown out. You cannot point to the search and say this is the search and now the search is over, I'm here. All that is a concept and everything including the concept that created that concept is thrown out of the organism and all that's left you will never know. Maybe that's why it's called the state of not knowing but even that is a concept.
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Post by zendancer on Sept 5, 2009 12:04:24 GMT -5
Eputkonen: Excellent response and posting. Wow, even in Minnesota! I told my wife about your nondualistic dinners (after going to your website), and that cracked her up as much as it did me. We may have to start doing that here in our hometown! Great story and great teaching. Cheers.
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Post by divinity on Sept 5, 2009 16:20:33 GMT -5
Anthony Demello's books are wonderful. I found one under very strange circumstances and never found out who had left it in my son's truck. It's like it just materialized...
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Post by fear on Sept 6, 2009 12:13:53 GMT -5
Doesn't it seem like things come to you when you need them. Whenever I read up on something it always seems like it applies to my life at that moment.
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Post by divinity on Sept 6, 2009 20:41:52 GMT -5
I can see how when we first learn about something we begin to notice it more in daily life... but I had never heard of Demello and there was the book. I guess I had gotten to the space where I would understand it and it would be the next natural step.
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Post by lightmystic on Sept 8, 2009 14:22:43 GMT -5
Good point. I also find that the search ends not because the process of what I called searching ended, but because the whole thing/process was then appreciated as the goal. But you can't get there from here.  "We can only share what worked for us... which probably won't work for anyone else." Divinity I agree with this statement. As I read in "Song of the bird" by Anthony Demello. You can't cut the man to fit the suit. The search never comes to an end in the way everything else comes to an end. The search and everything with it is thrown out. You cannot point to the search and say this is the search and now the search is over, I'm here. All that is a concept and everything including the concept that created that concept is thrown out of the organism and all that's left you will never know. Maybe that's why it's called the state of not knowing but even that is a concept. |
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Post by giannis on Sept 24, 2009 13:44:22 GMT -5
Wow, I had the exact same question some weeks ago.
A friend showed me some headless experiments and day by day, I appreciate more and more what "is".
The experience is accessible and clear, our appreciation and understanding is ever growing, so... I'd say that it keeps on going.
Just some childish honesty does the trick!
Mmm, the search doesn't end, it just disappears as irrelevant.
Searching is trying to grasp with the mind.
The "end" is just admitting that your very core is something mysterious, miraculous, dark, no-thing or better: an invisible procedure... You will just admit it, not understand it or find an "answer".
No answers, just the admission of your "core" and the core of everything.
The world stops being taken so ... "all there is" because you are forever in awe and your mind bows down to that awe.
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