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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 19, 2013 9:37:42 GMT -5
Greetings.. Thanks for the instructions. I'm not sure I understand what to do with the index finger. I extend the index finger in front of my face and point to nothing particular? Should I look at the finger, or where it's pointing, or... what should I pay attention to? Hi ESM: Once you have are in the relaxed, comfortable, and alert posture, sitting or standing, just extend the index finger as if pointing.. your hands can be at your side, in your lap, wherever they are comfortable.. the object of the 'pointing' is that it activates a primal internal energetic system/process.. don't pay attention to anything in particular, allow the interactive and interconnected happening to reveal itself.. kinda like the old 'Magic Eye' pictures from 20 or so years ago (google Magic Eye).. when we're not looking 'for/at something' we can see everything and the interconnected processes and relationships that are 'happening'.. Be well.. I've followed your instructions to the last detail and so far I'm not getting anything. What am I supposed to see/feel?
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Post by zendancer on Sept 19, 2013 10:34:07 GMT -5
You should be ashamed. You're utterly incorrigbile, but your direction in this thread reminds me of the old joke: "Don't! Stop!....don't stop." *smile* Except in this case, I'm not running anywhere ;-) And the direction I'm walking in is the same as it was whether someone is back there going "Don't Stop, Keep Going, Just a Little Further...." Or not ;-) By contrast, Q didn't misunderstand the joke.
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 19, 2013 10:57:28 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Hi ESM: Once you have are in the relaxed, comfortable, and alert posture, sitting or standing, just extend the index finger as if pointing.. your hands can be at your side, in your lap, wherever they are comfortable.. the object of the 'pointing' is that it activates a primal internal energetic system/process.. don't pay attention to anything in particular, allow the interactive and interconnected happening to reveal itself.. kinda like the old 'Magic Eye' pictures from 20 or so years ago (google Magic Eye).. when we're not looking 'for/at something' we can see everything and the interconnected processes and relationships that are 'happening'.. Be well.. I've followed your instructions to the last detail and so far I'm not getting anything. What am I supposed to see/feel? Thanks for trying.. i'm not going to create expectations or resistance by publishing the usual results.. others might have different results.. oh, and thanks for posting your results rather than honoring the request to do that via Private Message for the reasons stated.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 11:10:56 GMT -5
Greetings.. I've followed your instructions to the last detail and so far I'm not getting anything. What am I supposed to see/feel? Thanks for trying.. i'm not going to create expectations or resistance by publishing the usual results.. others might have different results.. oh, and thanks for posting your results rather than honoring the request to do that via Private Message for the reasons stated.. Be well.. Well stick to your guns there, Tzu, on the publishing the results issue. But what I hear from ESM is openness about the method and a sincere interest in being successful with it. Is there anything else you can do to help him out?
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 19, 2013 11:22:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Thanks for trying.. i'm not going to create expectations or resistance by publishing the usual results.. others might have different results.. oh, and thanks for posting your results rather than honoring the request to do that via Private Message for the reasons stated.. Be well.. Well stick to your guns there, Tzu, on the publishing the results issue. But what I hear from ESM is openness about the method and a sincere interest in being successful with it. Is there anything else you can do to help him out? Not really, not without being present and observing what is happening.. the students i've taught this to have been present, and i was able to assist with postural corrections and help them with the nuances of 'pointing'.. it is important not to 'focus' on pointing, but to feel what happens physically and mentally as you point, just be alert to what is happening.. I'm not expecting or attached to a specific result, but when the usual result happens it's interesting to see the person's reactions.. if the process works, i am pleased for the person's acquisition of a new tool.. if it doesn't work, the effort didn't harm anyone and we go on with Life.. Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 12:54:07 GMT -5
Greetings.. I've followed your instructions to the last detail and so far I'm not getting anything. What am I supposed to see/feel? Thanks for trying.. i'm not going to create expectations or resistance by publishing the usual results.. others might have different results.. oh, and thanks for posting your results rather than honoring the request to do that via Private Message for the reasons stated.. Be well.. You're still giving him a recipe for pancakes, when he requested a recipe for Cake ;-) We were talking about a specific type of Samadhi consciousness, what he termed as Unity Consciousness, when he started asking questions about cook times, i.e. a reasonable able of time one would have to spend in the kind of practice that engenders that type of Consciousness. You then interjected with a centering technique that quiets the mind and increases local awareness....(a very good and simple technique BTW), but still not that related to what was being discussed. Do you have some experience with what WAS being discussed, i.e. methods for shifting into a unified or Samadhi state of consciousnesswhere the self disappears? if so, it might be more pertinent for you to explain your techniques for doing that with ESM? Just a thought, whataya think?
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Post by tzujanli on Sept 19, 2013 14:10:07 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Thanks for trying.. i'm not going to create expectations or resistance by publishing the usual results.. others might have different results.. oh, and thanks for posting your results rather than honoring the request to do that via Private Message for the reasons stated.. Be well.. You're still giving him a recipe for pancakes, when he requested a recipe for Cake ;-) We were talking about a specific type of Samadhi consciousness, what he termed as Unity Consciousness, when he started asking questions about cook times, i.e. a reasonable able of time one would have to spend in the kind of practice that engenders that type of Consciousness. You then interjected with a centering technique that quiets the mind and increases local awareness....(a very good and simple technique BTW), but still not that related to what was being discussed. Do you have some experience with what WAS being discussed, i.e. methods for shifting into a unified or Samadhi state of consciousnesswhere the self disappears? if so, it might be more pertinent for you to explain your techniques for doing that with ESM? Just a thought, whataya think? I have lots of experience with Samadhi.. and once i dropped the label and the baggage of conceptual expectations attached to it, the real potential of the process revealed itself.. a little fine tuning from other processes, and clarity emerges.. by the way, are even paying attention to what's actually happening? Be well..
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 19, 2013 14:18:50 GMT -5
Greetings.. I've followed your instructions to the last detail and so far I'm not getting anything. What am I supposed to see/feel? Thanks for trying.. i'm not going to create expectations or resistance by publishing the usual results.. others might have different results.. oh, and thanks for posting your results rather than honoring the request to do that via Private Message for the reasons stated.. Be well.. Don't be ridiculous. I didn't post any results that might affect anyone negatively. If anything, the people who try your method will find something and value it even more by thinking "hey, I'm better at this than even Q!" I hate PMs, but I'll send you one when I have some time.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 19, 2013 14:20:37 GMT -5
Oh and btw, Tzu and Steven, I think you guys should be friends, I don't understand why you don't like each other. I see a lot of similarities in what you guys teach.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 14:42:36 GMT -5
Oh and btw, Tzu and Steven, I think you guys should be friends, I don't understand why you don't like each other. I see a lot of similarities in what you guys teach. jockeying in the peckering order
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Post by laughter on Sept 19, 2013 14:44:26 GMT -5
Oh and btw, Tzu and Steven, I think you guys should be friends, I don't understand why you don't like each other. I see a lot of similarities in what you guys teach.
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