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Post by silver on Sept 17, 2013 17:48:38 GMT -5
Maybe he means a soft focus as opposed to a hard focus.
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Post by ???????? ???????????? on Sept 17, 2013 17:58:19 GMT -5
Maybe he means a soft focus as opposed to a hard focus. Hm, I think I do have a soft focus. What kind of focus do you mean? I think the problem is simply that I'm looking at the same unmoving object, not so much a problem of hard or soft focus.
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Post by silver on Sept 17, 2013 18:09:14 GMT -5
Maybe he means a soft focus as opposed to a hard focus. Hm, I think I do have a soft focus. What kind of focus do you mean? I think the problem is simply that I'm looking at the same unmoving object, not so much a problem of hard or soft focus. Well the way you described it, sounded like a hard 'stare' type focus as opposed to just a relaxed gazing sort of thing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 18:17:10 GMT -5
Steve, thanks for the instructions. I find it hard to focus on an object for long because it disappears after like 30 seconds, there is a glow around it and then it merges with the background. My eyes just can't handle so little movement. So I have to blink or move the gaze to focus again, but as time progresses I have to do it more and more often to the point where it's useless. What to do about this? Firstly, blinking is okay, blink normally, make sure to not hold tension in the body or mind. Secondly, the phenomena you describe is the result of a low capacity for being alert, and sustaining that alertness. It is normal at this stage. Alertness is normally something we only use when we feel threatened, such as when we are avoiding a car crash or are frightened by a sound, and even then it is for a very short period of time. The things that come easily to us are tge things we are acustomed to doing regularly...and since your life has only been marked by rare instances of hyper alertness that lasted only for a few seconds, a few seconds of concious hyper alertness and concentration are all that come easily to you. So after a few seconds, the alertness fades, and the result is the loss of resolution that you described. Also, the reason that I keep saying to not let tension build in the body while focussing one's self into a hyper alertness, is that once you are more accustomed to being alert, you can maintain it indefinately because its a thing of the mind not the body, but if you allow tension to build in the body then alertness can only be maintain for as long as you can keep the body tensed up. The key is all in alertnes, without alertness one cannot sustain single minded focus and concentration on anything. You are going to have to develop your capacity to conciously maintain and continously increase your level of alertness....in the beggining your alertness has a dull edge, and cannot be sustained very long, but as you keep at it seek to sustain your akertness for longer and longer periods, even if in the beggining you can only do it for ten second, and secondly, seek to continuously sharpen the "edge" of your alertness . There is no such thing as TOO alert....develop hyper alertness bit by bit. This becomes a feedback loop...the longer you sustain alertness, the sharper your alertness becomes, and this sharpness of alertness in tirn makes it easier to sustain alertness longer. Because it is a thing of the mind, and the mind is so flexible, you will be amazed at how quickly you improve, and it will benefit all areas of your life, not just this endevor. One final note for, alertness is crucial so you don't "fade out" like you described, but focus everything on the object, your whole body, your whole vision, your whole mind....focus every bit of your being on the object for as long as you can and as intensly as you can, even if it is only fkr a few seconds at a time. You will quickly add both length and debth to your concentrated alert attention. Keep at it, it WILL improve....do not accept failure as an option.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 18:18:56 GMT -5
Hm, I think I do have a soft focus. What kind of focus do you mean? I think the problem is simply that I'm looking at the same unmoving object, not so much a problem of hard or soft focus. Well the way you described it, sounded like a hard 'stare' type focus as opposed to just a relaxed gazing sort of thing. Should be more of a hard stare, but without tension in the body....kinda like soft body hard mind.
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Post by silver on Sept 17, 2013 18:22:05 GMT -5
Well the way you described it, sounded like a hard 'stare' type focus as opposed to just a relaxed gazing sort of thing. Should be more of a hard stare, but without tension in the body....kinda like soft body hard mind. I hope you're being funny, it sounds more like a staring contest where you can't blink or something. If it were me, I'd go with a soft focus where you're allowed to move your eyeballs, lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 18:24:15 GMT -5
You are seeing how weak your capacity to be alert and concentrated and attentive is.
Do not be discouraged by it, its normal.
Your capacity is limitless, you just have not exercised these aspects of your self much, like an atrophied muscle, they will develop astonishingly fast.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 18:39:29 GMT -5
Should be more of a hard stare, but without tension in the body....kinda like soft body hard mind. I hope you're being funny, it sounds more like a staring contest where you can't blink or something. If it were me, I'd go with a soft focus where you're allowed to move your eyeballs, lol No, I'm not being funny, and in a way, in the beginning, it is kinda like a staring contest, (blinking is allowed though) But its a contest against your own mind's lack of capacity to be alert and wakeful with sustained concentration. As an aside, if you are trying to learn something that someone else has done, that you want to do, why would you alter the instructions? I try to keep things simple and not reinvent the wheel.[/
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Post by silence on Sept 17, 2013 21:38:44 GMT -5
Should be more of a hard stare, but without tension in the body....kinda like soft body hard mind. I hope you're being funny, it sounds more like a staring contest where you can't blink or something. If it were me, I'd go with a soft focus where you're allowed to move your eyeballs, lol I'm laughing too.
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Post by silver on Sept 17, 2013 21:55:48 GMT -5
I hope you're being funny, it sounds more like a staring contest where you can't blink or something. If it were me, I'd go with a soft focus where you're allowed to move your eyeballs, lol No, I'm not being funny, and in a way, in the beginning, it is kinda like a staring contest, (blinking is allowed though) But its a contest against your own mind's lack of capacity to be alert and wakeful with sustained concentration. As an aside, if you are trying to learn something that someone else has done, that you want to do, why would you alter the instructions? I try to keep things simple and not reinvent the wheel.[/ Instructions can be misleading or seem incomplete sometimes, that's why astute learners ask questions. That's why it doesn't hurt to over-explain things so that when the instructor says 'do you have any questions,' they'll be more likely to have enough info to ask questions about. If you go overboard and they think you're an idiot, let them think that. It's better to make yourself available for queries than to make them afraid to ask stuff. (But they should smack down (verbally) someone who's just being a smart-a$$).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2013 22:54:29 GMT -5
No, I'm not being funny, and in a way, in the beginning, it is kinda like a staring contest, (blinking is allowed though) But its a contest against your own mind's lack of capacity to be alert and wakeful with sustained concentration. As an aside, if you are trying to learn something that someone else has done, that you want to do, why would you alter the instructions? I try to keep things simple and not reinvent the wheel.[/ Instructions can be misleading or seem incomplete sometimes, that's why astute learners ask questions. That's why it doesn't hurt to over-explain things so that when the instructor says 'do you have any questions,' they'll be more likely to have enough info to ask questions about. If you go overboard and they think you're an idiot, let them think that. It's better to make yourself available for queries than to make them afraid to ask stuff. (But they should smack down (verbally) someone who's just being a smart-a$$). okay, but what does anything you have just written have to do with you saying: "If it were me, I'd go with a soft focus where you're allowed to move your eyeballs, lol" Where is the question in that?
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Post by silver on Sept 17, 2013 23:05:53 GMT -5
Instructions can be misleading or seem incomplete sometimes, that's why astute learners ask questions. That's why it doesn't hurt to over-explain things so that when the instructor says 'do you have any questions,' they'll be more likely to have enough info to ask questions about. If you go overboard and they think you're an idiot, let them think that. It's better to make yourself available for queries than to make them afraid to ask stuff. (But they should smack down (verbally) someone who's just being a smart-a$$). okay, but what does anything you have just written have to do with you saying: "If it were me, I'd go with a soft focus where you're allowed to move your eyeballs, lol" Where is the question in that? No, I just expanded the discussion because you seem to be an instructor of sorts, right? Never mind my blathering on, it's okay.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 18, 2013 5:25:38 GMT -5
You are seeing how weak your capacity to be alert and concentrated and attentive is. Do not be discouraged by it, its normal. Your capacity is limitless, you just have not excersized these aspects of your self much, like an atrophied muscle, they will develop astonishingly fast. That's a cracking spelling of exercised Stevie ~ Love it
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Post by Reefs on Sept 18, 2013 5:59:48 GMT -5
You are seeing how weak your capacity to be alert and concentrated and attentive is. Do not be discouraged by it, its normal. Your capacity is limitless, you just have not excersized these aspects of your self much, like an atrophied muscle, they will develop astonishingly fast. That's a cracking spelling of exercised Stevie ~ Love it Did he maybe mean 'exorcized'?
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Post by zendancer on Sept 18, 2013 9:26:03 GMT -5
Steve, thanks for the instructions. I find it hard to focus on an object for long because it disappears after like 30 seconds, there is a glow around it and then it merges with the background. My eyes just can't handle so little movement. So I have to blink or move the gaze to focus again, but as time progresses I have to do it more and more often to the point where it's useless. What to do about this? You should be ashamed. You're utterly incorrigbile, but your direction in this thread reminds me of the old joke: "Don't! Stop!....don't stop." *smile*
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