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Post by topology on Jun 8, 2013 8:55:43 GMT -5
It's a shame to see people disengage when they get what they give, I.e. Confrontation. I would like to hear Blue's response to the distinction between talking to someone directly versus commenting to Enigma about a person. There is something there which has been harped on in a variety of ways. It happened with reefs a lot, the side commentary between Reefs and Enigma that would spinoff and take on a life of it's own which would leave the person being talked about feeling mocked and derided. That is no longer productive poking and is not for the benefit of the person being talked about. I don't know that I would call it trolling, though, but making the distinction from productive poking I agree with. Dear Dude/Dudette, Really? A shame? Strong words. Is this the continuation of your AI comment? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize No it's not a continuation of the AI comment. That you disengaged from the confrontation while wanting others to engage your confrontation is hypocritical. If you want to give it and have a person engage it instead of shrink away (wanting them to shrink away is about domination), then I think you have an obligation to engage confrontation yourself. Lead by example. Your person has been showing a lot lately, we gotta get our confrontation in while the mask (wall) is down.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 8, 2013 8:59:41 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Really? A shame? Strong words. Is this the continuation of your AI comment? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize No it's not a continuation of the AI comment. That you disengaged from the confrontation while wanting others to engage your confrontation is hypocritical. If you want to give it and have a person engage it instead of shrink away (wanting them to shrink away is about domination), then I think you have an obligation to engage confrontation yourself. Lead by example. Your person has been showing a lot lately, we gotta get our confrontation in while the mask (wall) is down. Dear Dude/Dudette, Don't project your strict moralistic background onto me. That's exactly what keeps you going as the style mafia leader. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 9:09:30 GMT -5
Were you lying in wait? Is steve still tathagata in your eyes? Have you abandoned the new kinder gentler Blue Hole persona? Or should we expect a return of exactamente/reefs? Dear Dude/Dudette, The Blue persona is nothing kinder or gentler at all. The Blue persona was a result of too much style mafia activity (mainly orchestrated by Top) which basically made content discussions very hard to pursue since the focus was on how one said things instead of what was actually said. So the Blue persona leaves out certain trigger words. That's the only difference. If you think there was a change of heart or personality or focus then you've got fooled by style. If you look at the message, it's exactly the same. You will see that I commented rather late on Tath's posts. I wanted to see if he really has changed. So far it looked like that. But as I followed his discussion with Enigma along it became clear where he was heading. The discussion which was about to unfold with Tath is exactly the same type of discussions we had with him all along. Also, Tath quickly dropped his born-again style and went back to his old style. Just wait and see. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize OK, I'll watch to see how it unfolds ... without any memories or expectations though
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Post by silver on Jun 8, 2013 9:09:56 GMT -5
No it's not a continuation of the AI comment. That you disengaged from the confrontation while wanting others to engage your confrontation is hypocritical. If you want to give it and have a person engage it instead of shrink away (wanting them to shrink away is about domination), then I think you have an obligation to engage confrontation yourself. Lead by example. Your person has been showing a lot lately, we gotta get our confrontation in while the mask (wall) is down. Dear Dude/Dudette, Don't project your strict moralistic background onto me. That's exactly what keeps you going as the style mafia leader. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize 'mask down'.......'obligation to engage confrontation yourself'............iow strike while the iron's hot - to gain the most insights for all involved parties.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 9:33:42 GMT -5
yes, I'd say that fully letting go is about being at one with the moment. So long as thoughts are still being entertained pertaining to what happened in the past or what might happen in the future, OR about the very existence of a past or future, ideas such as, 'we cannot let go completely' will continue to fill our cup. I'd say it's that very idea itself, (that we cannot let go completely) that gets dumped out with all of the other content that is presently filling our cup, in order for innocence to be. But if we're hanging onto ideas like that and calling them truth, they're going to be pretty sticky and pretty hard to dump out...almost like a cup full of honey...just not as sweet. I don't remember much of what I read this morning. Where did the idea that we can't let go completely come from? Here: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/2811/world-innocence?page=2#ixzz2VdQaASSU
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Post by topology on Jun 8, 2013 9:35:47 GMT -5
No it's not a continuation of the AI comment. That you disengaged from the confrontation while wanting others to engage your confrontation is hypocritical. If you want to give it and have a person engage it instead of shrink away (wanting them to shrink away is about domination), then I think you have an obligation to engage confrontation yourself. Lead by example. Your person has been showing a lot lately, we gotta get our confrontation in while the mask (wall) is down. Dear Dude/Dudette, Don't project your strict moralistic background onto me. That's exactly what keeps you going as the style mafia leader. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Mafia = Gang. You and Tzu have that fallacious perception in common. You use it to evade confrontation.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 8, 2013 9:43:28 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, The Blue persona is nothing kinder or gentler at all. The Blue persona was a result of too much style mafia activity (mainly orchestrated by Top) which basically made content discussions very hard to pursue since the focus was on how one said things instead of what was actually said. So the Blue persona leaves out certain trigger words. That's the only difference. If you think there was a change of heart or personality or focus then you've got fooled by style. If you look at the message, it's exactly the same. You will see that I commented rather late on Tath's posts. I wanted to see if he really has changed. So far it looked like that. But as I followed his discussion with Enigma along it became clear where he was heading. The discussion which was about to unfold with Tath is exactly the same type of discussions we had with him all along. Also, Tath quickly dropped his born-again style and went back to his old style. Just wait and see. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize OK, I'll watch to see how it unfolds ... without any memories or expectations though Dear Dude/Dudette, Yes, you do your thing and I'll do my thing. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 8, 2013 9:44:48 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Don't project your strict moralistic background onto me. That's exactly what keeps you going as the style mafia leader. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Mafia = Gang. You and Tzu have that fallacious perception in common. You use it to evade confrontation. Dear Dude/Dudette, How am I to confront your moralistic swamp? Even camel tow won't go there. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 11:26:59 GMT -5
Were you lying in wait? Is steve still tathagata in your eyes? Have you abandoned the new kinder gentler Blue Hole persona? Or should we expect a return of exactamente/reefs? Dear Dude/Dudette, The Blue persona is nothing kinder or gentler at all. The Blue persona was a result of too much style mafia activity (mainly orchestrated by Top) which basically made content discussions very hard to pursue since the focus was on how one said things instead of what was actually said. So the Blue persona leaves out certain trigger words. That's the only difference. If you think there was a change of heart or personality or focus then you've got fooled by style. If you look at the message, it's exactly the same. You will see that I commented rather late on Tath's posts. I wanted to see if he really has changed. So far it looked like that. But as I followed his discussion with Enigma along it became clear where he was heading. The discussion which was about to unfold with Tath is exactly the same type of discussions we had with him all along. Also, Tath quickly dropped his born-again style and went back to his old style. Just wait and see. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize If it brings you comfort, I'm glad you found what you were looking for.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 11:28:58 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, The Blue persona is nothing kinder or gentler at all. The Blue persona was a result of too much style mafia activity (mainly orchestrated by Top) which basically made content discussions very hard to pursue since the focus was on how one said things instead of what was actually said. So the Blue persona leaves out certain trigger words. That's the only difference. If you think there was a change of heart or personality or focus then you've got fooled by style. If you look at the message, it's exactly the same. You will see that I commented rather late on Tath's posts. I wanted to see if he really has changed. So far it looked like that. But as I followed his discussion with Enigma along it became clear where he was heading. The discussion which was about to unfold with Tath is exactly the same type of discussions we had with him all along. Also, Tath quickly dropped his born-again style and went back to his old style. Just wait and see. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize OK, I'll watch to see how it unfolds ... without any memories or expectations though :-)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 12:13:50 GMT -5
It's a shame to see people disengage when they get what they give, I.e. Confrontation. I would like to hear Blue's response to the distinction between talking to someone directly versus commenting to Enigma about a person. There is something there which has been harped on in a variety of ways. It happened with reefs a lot, the side commentary between Reefs and Enigma that would spinoff and take on a life of it's own which would leave the person being talked about feeling mocked and derided. That is no longer productive poking and is not for the benefit of the person being talked about. I don't know that I would call it trolling, though, but making the distinction from productive poking I agree with. I've been wondering if Blue's concern about 'permanence' is because of his history with Steve. Reefs left for quite a while after Tath was banned. I've always believed that "Reefs/Exactamente/Blue is an alternate persona that Enigma brings out when his beliefs are poked at too much....when that happens...Enigma pulls back, while Blue advances.Steve, one thing that has not come up yet that I'm curious about is how, just before you exited last time, you started threatening various forms of legal action. That seemed preposterous to me at the time, and still does, but I can see how it might send a chill in those who were the target of those threats previously. Hi Max, At the time of all that insanity, I had grown increasingly concerned with a couple people's very heated fixation on me...Exactamente had spent many many hours combing through thousands of threads to find "proof" of whatever it was he wanted to prove...the sheer amount of time it took working on some of the posts he made seemed a touch unhinged to me, like a kind of unhealthy fixation or stalking....also, there were many people that I was having private PM conversations with that had shared a lot of there personal information. And finally there was the Joe factor, the guy I was trying to help....he was serious about getting help, but alternated between a profound kindness and tolerance to a seriously derangement in a way tha created legitimate concerns about violence. It's was all just a big hot mess....I wanted to delete my account, and the posts that a few loonies seemed to be fixating on in a scary and disturbing way. I felt like that if I wanted to disappear from here then that was my right :-) And the final straw was that there was either a glitch in the board software, or someone hacked my account, and could access my PM's...this was a concern, because there were a couple people with a disturbing level of fixation with me, who had seemed very hostile, possibly even dangerous, and now, whoever that was, possibly had access to mine and a few others people's personal information, including addresses and phone numbers etc.... So I was in a position where I was blocked from my account, while either a random glitch or hacking allowed some hostile and slightly disturbing person to access mine and others personal information. If you care to look back, the lawsuits threat was primarily about that, i.e. that if the sight allowed people to have access to my account that contained personal physical addresses and stuff, that if any harm came to anyone as a result I would sue them... This was to make the sight owners aware of the seriousness and danger of letting obvious hostile people have mean and others personal address without my permission. Basically, I had safety and stalker concerns about me and some of the people I was communicating with via PM. Hope that clarifies things. There was this weird glitch in the software back then....if you closed you account, but then reopened it with the same email address and password, but a different username, you had full access to the for Ed account, that included editing of old post and PM's.....but that was not the glitch, the glitch was that if you opened and account with a different email but the same screw and Asa formerly closed account, it would so strike allow you the ability to edit previous posts made by the previous owner of that username. When my account t was hacked or glitched and someone made posts in my name pretending to be me, and when I realized they could edit my former posts and twist everything I had ever said here., I sent an email to Shawn explaining that my account had been hacked and that I had safety concerns about private addresses being leaked....I got no response. I also did not want whoever had hacked or glitched there way into my old username continuing to pretend to be me, or having the ability to go back and edit my posts....as I got no response from the sight owners or managers, I threatened to sue if any harm came to anyone as a result of home addresses being leaked, and then preceded to delete all my posts so that they could not be edited or changed by the stalker glitching my account and making posts acting like me. There was a lot of silliness back then, but honestly, the lawsuits threats I don't regret....it got my account frozen in such a way that it could no longer be glitched/hacked, and grant some unhinged person access to mine and others home addresses, or the ability to alter my posts while acting like me. It all worked out in the end....I'd rather have my posts left in place, but not if they could be edited or altered by a troller trying to make a point....
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 12:15:29 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, I'm not interested in your games and I'm sorry to hear that you haven't found peace yet. Good luck and enjoy your stay. * pulls nonsense emergency brake * Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize It's a shame to see people disengage when they get what they give, I.e. Confrontation. I would like to hear Blue's response to the distinction between talking to someone directly versus commenting to Enigma about a person. There is something there which has been harped on in a variety of ways. It happened with reefs a lot, the side commentary between Reefs and Enigma that would spinoff and take on a life of it's own which would leave the person being talked about feeling mocked and derided. That is no longer productive poking and is not for the benefit of the person being talked about. I don't know that I would call it trolling, though, but making the distinction from productive poking I agree with. Remember the Mooji vid where he closes with the line "I love you too much to treat you as a person"? Sometimes it seems as though TGHOB takes pleasure in the discomfort of the third-party mockee but what is the source of that appearance?
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 12:17:49 GMT -5
Were you lying in wait? Is steve still tathagata in your eyes? Have you abandoned the new kinder gentler Blue Hole persona? Or should we expect a return of exactamente/reefs? Dear Dude/Dudette, The Blue persona is nothing kinder or gentler at all. The Blue persona was a result of too much style mafia activity (mainly orchestrated by Top) which basically made content discussions very hard to pursue since the focus was on how one said things instead of what was actually said. So the Blue persona leaves out certain trigger words. That's the only difference. If you think there was a change of heart or personality or focus then you've got fooled by style. If you look at the message, it's exactly the same. You will see that I commented rather late on Tath's posts. I wanted to see if he really has changed. So far it looked like that. But as I followed his discussion with Enigma along it became clear where he was heading. The discussion which was about to unfold with Tath is exactly the same type of discussions we had with him all along. Also, Tath quickly dropped his born-again style and went back to his old style. Just wait and see. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize For the umpteetnth-gazilliondiath time, can you see how, in some instances, style and content can form a tangled hierarchy?
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 12:20:28 GMT -5
It's a shame to see people disengage when they get what they give, I.e. Confrontation. I would like to hear Blue's response to the distinction between talking to someone directly versus commenting to Enigma about a person. There is something there which has been harped on in a variety of ways. It happened with reefs a lot, the side commentary between Reefs and Enigma that would spinoff and take on a life of it's own which would leave the person being talked about feeling mocked and derided. That is no longer productive poking and is not for the benefit of the person being talked about. I don't know that I would call it trolling, though, but making the distinction from productive poking I agree with. Dear Dude/Dudette, Really? A shame? Strong words. Is this the continuation of your AI comment? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I took shame there to be as in the sense of a certain regret directed back at the speaker as opposed to recrimination directed at the listener.
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 12:22:16 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Really? A shame? Strong words. Is this the continuation of your AI comment? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize No it's not a continuation of the AI comment. That you disengaged from the confrontation while wanting others to engage your confrontation is hypocritical. If you want to give it and have a person engage it instead of shrink away (wanting them to shrink away is about domination), then I think you have an obligation to engage confrontation yourself. Lead by example. Your person has been showing a lot lately, we gotta get our confrontation in while the mask (wall) is down. I see your point there, but it's kinda' like a judo move where you let the unbalanced attacker throw himself to the ground.
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