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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 12:25:17 GMT -5
It's was all just a big hot mess.... ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/grin.png)
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 12:27:16 GMT -5
Mafia = Gang. You and Tzu have that fallacious perception in common. You use it to evade confrontation. Dear Dude/Dudette, How am I to confront your moralistic swamp? Even camel tow won't go there. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize He made a good point, although I see the "Style Mafia" as toungue-in-cheek comedy while Tzu's gang seems a more serious affair. At least it seems to me that it seems that way to Tzu anyway (laughing at myself now!).
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 20:53:10 GMT -5
Well, if we follow the idea that when we look at water we don't know it's water or that we can drink it or that we're thirsty, I guess the whole issue will resolve itself in the ending of the physical existence. But of course it will end innocently. We seem to have lots of peeps losing interest in true/false and knowledge. How is it possible to function that-a-way? How is what possible to function that-a-way? What? It's not knowledge that has oppressed man, but ignorance, by which i mean false knowledge; illusion, self delusion.
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 21:01:50 GMT -5
We seem to have lots of peeps losing interest in true/false and knowledge. How is it possible to function that-a-way? I suspect it might be nothing more than BS but I may need to let go of my attachment to BS before I can verify the non true/falseness of the situation. As I understand it, you would have to not-know that you know that you don't know that you can't know, then you have successfully moved in the direction of that which you already are, but you won't know it. ![8-|](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/nerd.png)
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 21:08:44 GMT -5
To see that a mirage is just a mirage is not adding something. The idea that it's an oasis just goes bye-bye. How can that be too complicated for you? Are you talking about eliminating an idea by replacing it with a more righter one, so that the old wronger one goes away? That's cool if you are, could be the best approach for something I don't understand I guess... but at the risk of sounding repetitive....that's to complicated for me.... I'm talking about seeing an idea as not more than an idea. Is that too complicated for you?
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 21:16:16 GMT -5
Well, if we follow the idea that when we look at water we don't know it's water or that we can drink it or that we're thirsty, I guess the whole issue will resolve itself in the ending of the physical existence. But of course it will end innocently. We seem to have lots of peeps losing interest in true/false and knowledge. How is it possible to function that-a-way? Dear Dude/Dudette, Simple reason for that. They don't see clearly. They did the discerning in the past and since it was minding and not seeing, it didn't work out well. So the conclusion is the true/false thingy must be false. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize So, since they can't trust their ability to discern true from false, they assume it's not possible? So then the games begin about 'can't know nuthin' and 'not attached to needing to know', and then 'If you know something, I know you must be self deluded, though I can't be certain about that certainty.' Sounds like a reasonable explanation for a lot of the nonsense going on.
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 21:21:41 GMT -5
Well, if we follow the idea that when we look at water we don't know it's water or that we can drink it or that we're thirsty, I guess the whole issue will resolve itself in the ending of the physical existence. But of course it will end innocently. We seem to have lots of peeps losing interest in true/false and knowledge. How is it possible to function that-a-way?I don't know.....but thanks to God, it seems to be working out rather well :-) I went for a walk earlier today, and it seemed like I did not exist, that nothing exists, only God....everywhere I looked, there was only God Could be that this is the truth, and this might be why things seem to work out just fine no matter what....but who knows really....I certainly don't. Do you? Yes, I do. Do you know that to be a problem for me?
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 21:51:20 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Really? A shame? Strong words. Is this the continuation of your AI comment? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize No it's not a continuation of the AI comment. That you disengaged from the confrontation while wanting others to engage your confrontation is hypocritical. If you want to give it and have a person engage it instead of shrink away (wanting them to shrink away is about domination), then I think you have an obligation to engage confrontation yourself. Lead by example. Your person has been showing a lot lately, we gotta get our confrontation in while the mask (wall) is down. Not meaning to imply what should and shouldn't be engaged, but by that logic, I would still be clashing swords with Tzu, and no conversation with Figandrew would ever have ended. There is a point at which the futility of direct confrontation can be recognized, and that also may be the same point where clarity about the situation might be explored with others. (what you call mocking)
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Post by Reefs on Jun 8, 2013 21:55:17 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Simple reason for that. They don't see clearly. They did the discerning in the past and since it was minding and not seeing, it didn't work out well. So the conclusion is the true/false thingy must be false. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize So, since they can't trust their ability to discern true from false, they assume it's not possible? So then the games begin about 'can't know nuthin' and 'not attached to needing to know', and then 'If you know something, I know you must be self deluded, though I can't be certain about that certainty.' Sounds like a reasonable explanation for a lot of the nonsense going on. Dear Dude/Dudette, Precisely. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 22:03:39 GMT -5
So you read "cannot return to innocence", and heard "Can't let go completely"? Then you went about painting pictures about what you imagined you heard? As I see it, innocence is the absence of false knowledge, or what we sometimes call delusion. Once you have knowledge about something, say separation or volition, you can't unknow it or let go of the knowledge like dropping a rock. If it seems true, then you can't make it not seem true because you want it to not be true. It's necessary to see through illusion, and when you do, the knowledge remains, and so it is still not the absence of that knowledge. You still know what separation and volition are, you just don't believe it anymore. Transcendence is not the same as innocence. In any case, it's not about letting go completely.
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Post by enigma on Jun 8, 2013 22:09:05 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Don't project your strict moralistic background onto me. That's exactly what keeps you going as the style mafia leader. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Mafia = Gang. You and Tzu have that fallacious perception in common. You use it to evade confrontation. It's a bit of facetious silliness about alleged forum gang activity, isn't it? You know, if you keep it light, there's a good chance Reefs would do the same and there would be less tension around these here parts. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 22:20:34 GMT -5
So you read "cannot return to innocence", and heard "Can't let go completely"? Then you went about painting pictures about what you imagined you heard? As I see it, innocence is the absence of false knowledge, or what we sometimes call delusion. Once you have knowledge about something, say separation or volition, you can't unknow it or let go of the knowledge like dropping a rock. If it seems true, then you can't make it not seem true because you want it to not be true. It's necessary to see through illusion, and when you do, the knowledge remains, and so it is still not the absence of that knowledge. You still know what separation and volition are, you just don't believe it anymore. Transcendence is not the same as innocence. In any case, it's not about letting go completely. As I see it, if it seems we cannot return to innocence, it is only because we've accumulated knowledge that we cannot let go of. True vs. false...just delineations (that are deemed to be important for one reason or another) that are applied to ideas. "Innocence" is the absence of present attachment to the idea that something/anything is absolutely true.
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Post by laughter on Jun 8, 2013 22:29:02 GMT -5
Mafia = Gang. You and Tzu have that fallacious perception in common. You use it to evade confrontation. It's a bit of facetious silliness about alleged forum gang activity, isn't it? You know, if you keep it light, there's a good chance Reefs would do the same and there would be less tension around these here parts. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) uhm ... what "parts" might those be kemosabe? ![](http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/yahoo/worried-yahoo-emoticon.gif)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 22:34:54 GMT -5
How is what possible to function that-a-way? What? It's not knowledge that has oppressed man, but ignorance, by which i mean false knowledge; illusion, self delusion. How do you know the difference between knowledge and false knowledge?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2013 22:36:24 GMT -5
It's a bit of facetious silliness about alleged forum gang activity, isn't it? You know, if you keep it light, there's a good chance Reefs would do the same and there would be less tension around these here parts. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) uhm ... what "parts" might those be kemosabe? ![](http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/yahoo/worried-yahoo-emoticon.gif) LoL
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