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Post by jazz on Jun 6, 2013 20:21:53 GMT -5
It struck me as something "to do". To look at the world and its people, including myself, as innocent. Takes a whole lotta judgement away. Kinda scary. Bit it feels like it's what's "needed".
Any thoughts?
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Post by Beingist on Jun 6, 2013 20:49:02 GMT -5
It struck me as something "to do". To look at the world and its people, including myself, as innocent. Takes a whole lotta judgement away. Kinda scary. Bit it feels like it's what's "needed". Any thoughts? Cart before the horse. Realize 'innocence' first, then it won't be 'needed'.
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Post by Ishtahota on Jun 6, 2013 20:49:55 GMT -5
The return to innocence can only be done by leaving duality consciousness and re-interning the nonduality consciousness that we had as young children. Knowing ones true intent is one of the keys, and that takes a lot of personal work.
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Post by silver on Jun 6, 2013 21:04:39 GMT -5
How to get everybody to play along - that's the question~*
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Post by jazz on Jun 6, 2013 21:05:01 GMT -5
It struck me as something "to do". To look at the world and its people, including myself, as innocent. Takes a whole lotta judgement away. Kinda scary. Bit it feels like it's what's "needed". Any thoughts? Cart before the horse. Realize 'innocence' first, then it won't be 'needed'. I see that. And I wonder if realization hasn't happened but not admitted.
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Post by jazz on Jun 6, 2013 21:05:51 GMT -5
The return to innocence can only be done by leaving duality consciousness and re-interning the nonduality consciousness that we had as young children. Knowing ones true intent is one of the keys, and that takes a lot of personal work. Could you elaborate on the bolded sentence?
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Post by jazz on Jun 6, 2013 21:07:00 GMT -5
How to get everybody to play along - that's the question~* I resonate with that.
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Post by Beingist on Jun 6, 2013 21:25:39 GMT -5
Cart before the horse. Realize 'innocence' first, then it won't be 'needed'. I see that. And I wonder if realization hasn't happened but not admitted. Cool.
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Post by Ishtahota on Jun 6, 2013 22:12:58 GMT -5
Our ego likes to stay in control of our lives. Most of the time our ego can hide our true intent from us. It takes time for us to learn how to check our intent. Learning to check our true intent is part of doing our personal clearing work which will allow us to end our inner conflict, which allows us to fully awaken and enter into non-duality consciousness. And that is as close as we can get to innocence.
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Post by enigma on Jun 6, 2013 22:43:05 GMT -5
Cart before the horse. Realize 'innocence' first, then it won't be 'needed'. I see that. And I wonder if realization hasn't happened but not admitted. It's possible. I'd say a requirement for realizing innocence is realizing non-volition.
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Post by enigma on Jun 6, 2013 22:45:27 GMT -5
Our ego likes to stay in control of our lives. Most of the time our ego can hide our true intent from us. It takes time for us to learn how to check our intent. Learning to check our true intent is part of doing our personal clearing work which will allow us to end our inner conflict, which allows us to fully awaken and enter into non-duality consciousness. And that is as close as we can get to innocence. What axchuly is nonduality consciousness?
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 6, 2013 23:32:52 GMT -5
Greetings..
The still mind is an innocent mind. no beliefs in 'only' this or that.. no attachments to this 'way' or that 'way'..
Conditions/requirements are not evidence of innocence or clarity, they indicate a 'self' separate from from others, claiming a choice between conditions/requirements while disclaiming volition.. a 'self'-evident contradiction..
Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 0:30:53 GMT -5
How did this experiment make you feel....in my experience, if it feels good then you are probably going in the right direction.
Dunno if I agree with some of the posters above that seem to imply that there is some kind of prerequisite to deciding to be innocent though....seems to me like a choice was available and you made it, and it felt good.
I equate innocence to the simplicity of not judging and not knowing, a kind of openness that doesn't need to understand anything.....for me, not knowing, and being cool with that, and not judging, and being cool with that, allows an opening, a gap, and: equals innocence.... and anyone can decide to let go of judgment and the desire to know and understand
you can assign all the metaphysical mumbo jumbo requirements or prerequisites you want, but to me that just complicates what you already did....and therefore, removes you from innocence....what's the point of that....if you felt good in your non-judgmental innocence, why move?
I like that part where you said: "It struck me as something "to do"......I don't think this stuff should be approached in such a life or death way as we sometimes make this all out to be....
If something feels peaceful and harmonious, then you are probably moving in a kind of harmony that will get you where this path takes you.
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Post by laughter on Jun 7, 2013 0:44:24 GMT -5
How did this experiment make you feel....in my experience, if it feels good then you are probably going in the right direction. Dunno if I agree with some of the posters above that seem to imply that there is some kind of prerequisite to deciding to be innocent though....seems to me like a choice was available and you made it, and it felt good. I equate innocence to the simplicity of not judging and not knowing, a kind of openness that doesn't need to understand anything.....for me, not knowing, and being cool with that, and not judging, and being cool with that, allows an opening, a gap, and: equals innocence.... and anyone can decide to let go of judgment and the desire to know and understand you can assign all the metaphysical mumbo jumbo requirements or prerequisites you want, but to me that just complicates what you already did....and therefore, removes you from innocence....what's the point of that....if you felt good in your non-judgmental innocence, why move? I like that part where you said: "It struck me as something "to do"......I don't think this stuff should be approached in such a life or death way as we sometimes make this all out to be.... Nature seems to give of sign posts if you pay attention a little bit.....if something feels peaceful and harmonious, then you are probably moving in a kind of harmony that will get you where this path takes you, and if something feels disturbing or uncomfortable then you might want to try something else, a different approach. Hey steve ... without advancing an argument to this effect, I have a sincere question about what you've said. Do you perceive how someone else might perceive that feeling good is a departure from innocence in and of itself?
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Post by laughter on Jun 7, 2013 0:47:52 GMT -5
Our ego likes to stay in control of our lives. Most of the time our ego can hide our true intent from us. It takes time for us to learn how to check our intent. Learning to check our true intent is part of doing our personal clearing work which will allow us to end our inner conflict, which allows us to fully awaken and enter into non-duality consciousness. And that is as close as we can get to innocence. What axchuly is nonduality consciousness? two great tastes that taste great together! (... er ... um ... as long as ya' don't got a peanut allergy!...)
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