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Post by topology on Jun 11, 2013 20:25:09 GMT -5
You've told us to see a Borg. No, i haven't told you to "see a Borg".. Be well.. I believe you understand what I am getting at. You asserted your perception of things about seeing Borg-like behavior. How does that land more on the teaching someone how to see side of things than on the telling someone what to see?
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Post by laughter on Jun 11, 2013 20:36:16 GMT -5
Greetings.. When offered the open and honest discussion that you requested all it took was the slightest of disagreement or the merest hint of a grin on the face of your correspondents for you to stamp your foot through the thin ice.In the six months that I've been reading your messages your reply to Andrew the other day seemed to me quite singular, and that in the context of a mult-year conversation with him spanning at least two forums and a definite tinge of "enemy of my enemy" (not that Andy necessarily sees an "enemy", so to speak). Singular in that it betrayed no underlying attachment to being right and actually overtly disclaimed one. The best I can do with this contrarian view is to give it the benefit of the comedic doubt. That's cool in my book anyway ... but do expect fits of temper to be used as fuel for the fire of amusement! Perception's a b!tch.. you see "the slightest of disagreement", i see retreat from honesty and openness through statements of absolute certainty.. you see the "merest hint of a grin:, and i see mockery and ridicule disguised as humor.. all i ask for is open and honest discussions, preferably one-on-one, but.. that's not the way, here, several aligned members move in from different angles,and.. honestly, i can't keep-up, and i'm not interested in that sort of 'spiritual gang violence', so.. step away from the campfire, here's plenty of what you perceive as fuel, and what i perceive as open honesty.. Be well.. smoke is not fuel
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 11, 2013 20:40:39 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. Perception's a b!tch.. you see "the slightest of disagreement", i see retreat from honesty and openness through statements of absolute certainty.. you see the "merest hint of a grin:, and i see mockery and ridicule disguised as humor.. all i ask for is open and honest discussions, preferably one-on-one, but.. that's not the way, here, several aligned members move in from different angles,and.. honestly, i can't keep-up, and i'm not interested in that sort of 'spiritual gang violence', so.. step away from the campfire, here's plenty of what you perceive as fuel, and what i perceive as open honesty.. Be well.. smoke is not fuel Depends on what you're smokin'.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 11, 2013 20:45:52 GMT -5
Greetings.. No, i haven't told you to "see a Borg".. Be well.. I believe you understand what I am getting at. You asserted your perception of things about seeing Borg-like behavior. How does that land more on the teaching someone how to see side of things than on the telling someone what to see? No, i don't understand what you're getting at.. i shared my understanding of certain patterns of behavior in this forum.. you're trying to change the context and what was actually said to fit into what 'you want' to hear, and to fit into the illusion about 'Tzu' that you want others to believe.. Be well..
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Post by topology on Jun 11, 2013 21:03:36 GMT -5
Greetings.. I believe you understand what I am getting at. You asserted your perception of things about seeing Borg-like behavior. How does that land more on the teaching someone how to see side of things than on the telling someone what to see? No, i don't understand what you're getting at.. i shared my understanding of certain patterns of behavior in this forum.. you're trying to change the context and what was actually said to fit into what 'you want' to hear, and to fit into the illusion about 'Tzu' that you want others to believe.. Be well.. If you go back to where I first replied and highlighted your comment, it was focussed on the difference between telling someone what to see (fooling them for a day) versus teaching them how to see. I take telling someone how one perceives things as mostly telling them what to see and not teaching them how to see. How would you go about teaching someone to see?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 21:10:26 GMT -5
Greetings.. No, i don't understand what you're getting at.. i shared my understanding of certain patterns of behavior in this forum.. you're trying to change the context and what was actually said to fit into what 'you want' to hear, and to fit into the illusion about 'Tzu' that you want others to believe.. Be well.. How would you go about teaching someone to see? I was going to say that there are a whole lotta monasteries dedicated to that, but in my experience, these days those monasteries are committed to maintaining a tradition, usually with a good profit margin lol Still though, I'd like to hear TZU's answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 21:26:14 GMT -5
TZU, which would you rather be, a Buddha, or a Bodhisatva?
Which resonates with you more?
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 11, 2013 21:41:05 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. No, i don't understand what you're getting at.. i shared my understanding of certain patterns of behavior in this forum.. you're trying to change the context and what was actually said to fit into what 'you want' to hear, and to fit into the illusion about 'Tzu' that you want others to believe.. Be well.. If you go back to where I first replied and highlighted your comment, it was focussed on the difference between telling someone what to see (fooling them for a day) versus teaching them how to see. I take telling someone how one perceives things as mostly telling them what to see and not teaching them how to see. How would you go about teaching someone to see? Why do you 'take' "telling someone how one perceives things as mostly telling them what to see"? are you aware that you are telling me how you are perceiving 'Tzu'? do you realize how often people tell each other how they perceive things, and.. especially here at ST, there is a focused effort by some to tell others how they see 'oneness' and 'non-duality'.. Teaching someone to see 'clearly', a word you omitted from my actual statement, involves helping them to understand the influences that are likely to distort the 'seeing', letting them explore how the absence of those influences has a 'clearing' effect on what is seen/experienced, and understanding that in the absence of distortions, what is seen/experienced will have a transformative healing effect on the observer.. We do run the risk of prejudicing how others perceive things when we share how we perceive things, but.. if you've been paying attention to my message rather than looking for opportunities to score points for your beliefs, you will notice that i am sincerely interested in clarity, sincerely interested in others having the opportunity to have their own experiences.. rather than the experiences others tell them to have, and.. if you really believe my reference to the 'Borg' is me 'telling others what to see', rather than just another opportunity for you to try to score points, you might want to seriously consider my advice to 'just let go'.. Be well..
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 11, 2013 21:56:03 GMT -5
Greetings.. TZU, which would you rather be, a Buddha, or a Bodhisatva? Which resonates with you more? Neither.. i'm content being what i am.. and, if the sincerity and authenticity of the Life i live inspires some others to live their own Life, their own clarity.. that's cool, too.. i do not hope nor wish to 'tell others' what to believe, i trust the wisdom of clarity to reveal resonance with 'that which is', and.. it's entirely possible that someone else's clarity might reveal a more complete understanding than mine, so.. i'll just keep paying attention, and if what i see resonates differently with what i currently understand, i'll revise that understanding accordingly.. Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jun 11, 2013 22:47:01 GMT -5
Greetings.. LOL.. no surprise here.. nice of you to join in.. Be well.. Where is the fostering of an open honest discussion when you call someone a Borg member? Dear Dude/Dudette, He dropped the OHDM since quite a while. Haven't you noticed? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 11, 2013 22:48:13 GMT -5
I know that this is at least partly in jest but it confirms tzu's worst suspicions of the imagined evil-doers that populate the forum ... TGHOBFKAR and I have had this discussion a few times and I could tell from the first month of conversation with tzu that this possibility was very very remote. His history with this stuff is quite deep, and despite the contradictions and projections, so is his tether to clarity and stillness. Well, for what it's worth, I think this forum is absolutely a better place for having TZU around!,.....but I'm not sure TZU is a better place for having the forum around lol But wuddo I know?........not much Dear Dude/Dudette, Huh? Como? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 11, 2013 22:53:33 GMT -5
Greetings.. I wish it were possible for y'all to see your own attachments to having 'Tzu' think and believe like you do.. i mean really attached.. sounds like committees, secret meetings, plots, etc.. what i observe is people experiencing separation, feeling threatened by its conflict with their beliefs.. then, like the Borg from Star Trek, acting to assimilate the contradicting entity.. i see no interest in discussion that is open and honest, only interest in discussion that is intended to assimilate the contradicting entity.. it's especially touching to see the trite but sometimes effective manipulation: 'You poor thing, i remember when i was like you, but.. now i'm healed, and i'm so much better than you', LOL.. Be well.. The Borg imagery is very good. Sometime previously that same opponent is who I imagined you were up against. It's like all these nondual/advaitist chumps are just parroting what they learn online, through satsangs and books. It's just another groupthink. Good to have you around. I don't think Steve would be welcome with that particular cube though. He's currently going all rad with God and stuff. Maybe a different cube, heck if I know. How do you discern open and honest communication from just a sneaky way of 'assimilating the contradicting entity'? Seems like it could be really tough! Trust is probably the first directive for this strategy. Dear Dude/Dudette, Borg sounds nixonian. Tzu's rove-era-like political maneuvers are an overlay about 'what actually is', i.e. not in alignment with Tzuth. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 11, 2013 22:55:00 GMT -5
Greetings.. The Borg imagery is very good. Sometime previously that same opponent is who I imagined you were up against. It's like all these nondual/advaitist chumps are just parroting what they learn online, through satsangs and books. It's just another groupthink. Good to have you around. I don't think Steve would be welcome with that particular cube though. He's currently going all rad with God and stuff. Maybe a different cube, heck if I know. How do you discern open and honest communication from just a sneaky way of 'assimilating the contradicting entity'? Seems like it could be really tough! Trust is probably the first directive for this strategy. I pay attention.. i've trusted, and when the discussion reveals actualities that the agenda messengers refuse to deal with, they resort to mockery, ridicule, provocation, and other such tactics as they hope will 'break' the clarity of those that see through their intended result, assimilation.. the evidence is in the insistence that a 'belief' is truth, that an opinion is true.. all i've ever suggested is that it is preferable to see clearly, than to see what someone tells you to see.. and, when someone tells you that you 'should see' what they see, their clarity is seriously questionable.. Tell a person what to see, and you fool him for a day.. Teach a person to see clearly, and they are liberated.. Telling people 'what to see', is a full-time maintenance of illusions.. helping them to see clearly, liberates both them and you.. Be well.. Dear Dude/Dudette, You can make people see clearly and liberate them? Shocker! Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Reefs on Jun 11, 2013 22:56:55 GMT -5
You've told us to see a Borg. T hat sounded stubborn and stupid (the comment), Top. Now you're down here with - me. Forget Bell Curves, heh. Dear Dude/Dudette, How so? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by silence on Jun 11, 2013 23:00:23 GMT -5
Still itches, huh? Shocker. I have no interest and inclination to stand idiocy gladly on the forum at the moment. Probably best for both of us if you talk to people that don't think you are an idiot. Hah, I like the new andrew. I'm not saying you're a jerk or that name calling is necessary but this struck me as one of your more authentic and less filtered posts.
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