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Post by laughter on Jun 10, 2013 21:56:00 GMT -5
What's really really funny about that post is that I'm pretty sure that Ishtahota just wrote inside the Tzu-quote ... so what sounded an awful lot like Tzu talking was someone talking at him instead ... OMG...maybe Ishtahota is TZU... ... yeah, maybe that explains the second part of Ishy's sig ...
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Post by Beingist on Jun 10, 2013 21:58:25 GMT -5
Now, it's facebanging? How ... charming.
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Post by laughter on Jun 10, 2013 22:01:16 GMT -5
Now, it's facebanging? How ... charming. It's just a paraphrase from Buddyism: if you meat urself on the road ... punch'em in the face!
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 10, 2013 22:49:07 GMT -5
Greetings.. What's really really funny about that post is that I'm pretty sure that Ishtahota just wrote inside the Tzu-quote ... so what sounded an awful lot like Tzu talking was someone talking at him instead ... OMG...maybe Ishtahota is TZU... It is entirely possible that 'I' am the person referenced as 'Tzu', less likely that you are the person understood as 'you'.... Be well..
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Post by Reefs on Jun 10, 2013 22:58:18 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, You want me to put some old quotes out front? OHC already speculated Tzu would be Tath, haha. Remember the somalia baby incident? Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Haha, yeah....don't pull that one back out, we'll get TZU VERY worked up I think. Dear Dude/Dudette, Tzu has the exact same position you had back then on that topic. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2013 2:09:15 GMT -5
Haha, yeah....don't pull that one back out, we'll get TZU VERY worked up I think. Dear Dude/Dudette, Tzu has the exact same position you had back then on that topic. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I think he pretty much has the exact same position on just about everything that I did back then...there is a good chunk of what he says that I still Rez with, but man, there's a whooooooole bunch if stuff that I wish I get could get my "former" self to just let go of....but I kinda know where he's at right now, and there isn't a whole lotta room in there for any outside advice with all that stillness and clarity. If I didn't think he'd just hop over to another forum I'd probably be trying to figure out how to get him banned from here out of love for him so he could get a little "space" and settling lol
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Post by andrew on Jun 11, 2013 2:30:56 GMT -5
To state something ABOUT 'the ineffable' is nonsense, but to say whether one believes or doesn't believe in this alleged 'ineffable' (beyond the realm of ideas) is not nonsense. Its not wholly dissimilar to asking someone if they believe in God. I am asking you if you believe there is such thing given that you speak of it. If not, what is your relationship to it? For me its simple. Its a case of maybe there is such thing beyond the realm of ideas, and maybe there isn't. I disagree with you on this point. What we can do is notice that there is a seemingly related conceptual track defined by the idea of the failure of language and centered on the question: what is it that language can't convey? Mind falls into a trap here in drawing a connection between the two ideas, and that's where objectification begins. Best just to grab a spoon instead. In speaking of an 'It' or a 'That' which is ineffable, indescribable, and cannot be named, the mind has already objectified. It is something that has been brought into existence (into your consciousness). By definition, 'It' is not an object, but that is not the point, the mind can ONLY perceive it to be an object, because it is the nature of mind to objectify. So saying that you cannot state your relationship to this alleged non-object on the basis that it is not an object would mean that your mind inevitably, and paradoxically, does believe in an 'It' or a 'That'. For me, because I acknowledge that mind objectifies, I state my relationship to this 'alleged' non-object as 'maybe there is such a non-thing and maybe there isn't'.
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Post by laughter on Jun 11, 2013 4:13:22 GMT -5
I disagree with you on this point. What we can do is notice that there is a seemingly related conceptual track defined by the idea of the failure of language and centered on the question: what is it that language can't convey? Mind falls into a trap here in drawing a connection between the two ideas, and that's where objectification begins. Best just to grab a spoon instead. In speaking of an 'It' or a 'That' which is ineffable, indescribable, and cannot be named, the mind has already objectified. It is something that has been brought into existence (into your consciousness). By definition, 'It' is not an object, but that is not the point, the mind can ONLY perceive it to be an object, because it is the nature of mind to objectify. So saying that you cannot state your relationship to this alleged non-object on the basis that it is not an object would mean that your mind inevitably, and paradoxically, does believe in an 'It' or a 'That'. For me, because I acknowledge that mind objectifies, I state my relationship to this 'alleged' non-object as 'maybe there is such a non-thing and maybe there isn't'.
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Post by laughter on Jun 11, 2013 4:19:40 GMT -5
Dear Dude/Dudette, Tzu has the exact same position you had back then on that topic. Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize I think he pretty much has the exact same position on just about everything that I did back then...there is a good chunk of what he says that I still Rez with, but man, there's a whooooooole bunch if stuff that I wish I get could get my "former" self to just let go of....but I kinda know where he's at right now, and there isn't a whole lotta room in there for any outside advice with all that stillness and clarity. If I didn't think he'd just hop over to another forum I'd probably be trying to figure out how to get him banned from here out of love for him so he could get a little "space" and settling lolI know that this is at least partly in jest but it confirms tzu's worst suspicions of the imagined evil-doers that populate the forum ... TGHOBFKAR and I have had this discussion a few times and I could tell from the first month of conversation with tzu that this possibility was very very remote. His history with this stuff is quite deep, and despite the contradictions and projections, so is his tether to clarity and stillness.
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Post by Reefs on Jun 11, 2013 5:10:43 GMT -5
I think he pretty much has the exact same position on just about everything that I did back then...there is a good chunk of what he says that I still Rez with, but man, there's a whooooooole bunch if stuff that I wish I get could get my "former" self to just let go of....but I kinda know where he's at right now, and there isn't a whole lotta room in there for any outside advice with all that stillness and clarity. If I didn't think he'd just hop over to another forum I'd probably be trying to figure out how to get him banned from here out of love for him so he could get a little "space" and settling lolI know that this is at least partly in jest but it confirms tzu's worst suspicions of the imagined evil-doers that populate the forum ... TGBHOBFKAR and I have had this discussion a few times and I could tell from the first month of conversation with tzu that this possibility was very very remote. His history with this stuff is quite deep, and despite the contradictions and projections, so is his tether to clarity and stillness. Dear Dude/Dudette, edit: you forgot a B there, I fixed it Sincerely, The Great Blue Hole Of Belize Formerly Known As Reefs
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Post by Portto on Jun 11, 2013 5:58:04 GMT -5
Hey, is this thing supposed to make us dizzy, or somethin'? Or, is it ... a .... thingy...........for................ hypnotizing.... Hey!....if I slide the image around on my IPhone I can make it stop moving.... Can't......quite.....make the lines line up!......uggghhh Was making me a bit nauseous just trying though It's one (flat) image. A single black/white moving distinction is enough to make many apparently different objects and movements appear. The ball is not separate from the background. It just appears so.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 11, 2013 8:29:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. I think he pretty much has the exact same position on just about everything that I did back then...there is a good chunk of what he says that I still Rez with, but man, there's a whooooooole bunch if stuff that I wish I get could get my "former" self to just let go of....but I kinda know where he's at right now, and there isn't a whole lotta room in there for any outside advice with all that stillness and clarity. If I didn't think he'd just hop over to another forum I'd probably be trying to figure out how to get him banned from here out of love for him so he could get a little "space" and settling lolI know that this is at least partly in jest but it confirms tzu's worst suspicions of the imagined evil-doers that populate the forum ... TGHOBFKAR and I have had this discussion a few times and I could tell from the first month of conversation with tzu that this possibility was very very remote. His history with this stuff is quite deep, and despite the contradictions and projections, so is his tether to clarity and stillness. I wish it were possible for y'all to see your own attachments to having 'Tzu' think and believe like you do.. i mean really attached.. sounds like committees, secret meetings, plots, etc.. what i observe is people experiencing separation, feeling threatened by its conflict with their beliefs.. then, like the Borg from Star Trek, acting to assimilate the contradicting entity.. i see no interest in discussion that is open and honest, only interest in discussion that is intended to assimilate the contradicting entity.. it's especially touching to see the trite but sometimes effective manipulation: 'You poor thing, i remember when i was like you, but.. now i'm healed, and i'm so much better than you', LOL.. Be well..
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Post by topology on Jun 11, 2013 9:21:23 GMT -5
I think he pretty much has the exact same position on just about everything that I did back then...there is a good chunk of what he says that I still Rez with, but man, there's a whooooooole bunch if stuff that I wish I get could get my "former" self to just let go of....but I kinda know where he's at right now, and there isn't a whole lotta room in there for any outside advice with all that stillness and clarity. If I didn't think he'd just hop over to another forum I'd probably be trying to figure out how to get him banned from here out of love for him so he could get a little "space" and settling lolI know that this is at least partly in jest but it confirms tzu's worst suspicions of the imagined evil-doers that populate the forum ... TGHOBFKAR and I have had this discussion a few times and I could tell from the first month of conversation with tzu that this possibility was very very remote. His history with this stuff is quite deep, and despite the contradictions and projections, so is his tether to clarity and stillness. As people develop successful coping mechanisms, they tend to get set in their ways and do not question their own biases and filters anymore. Because there is no more internal cognitive dissonance it becomes easy to dismiss any external influences which might generate it. The stillness and clarity achieved through self-maintenance is not the stillness and clarity that transcends the conditioning of the mind.
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Post by topology on Jun 11, 2013 9:27:44 GMT -5
Greetings.. I know that this is at least partly in jest but it confirms tzu's worst suspicions of the imagined evil-doers that populate the forum ... TGHOBFKAR and I have had this discussion a few times and I could tell from the first month of conversation with tzu that this possibility was very very remote. His history with this stuff is quite deep, and despite the contradictions and projections, so is his tether to clarity and stillness. I wish it were possible for y'all to see your own attachments to having 'Tzu' think and believe like you do.. i mean really attached.. sounds like committees, secret meetings, plots, etc.. what i observe is people experiencing separation, feeling threatened by its conflict with their beliefs.. then, like the Borg from Star Trek, acting to assimilate the contradicting entity.. i see no interest in discussion that is open and honest, only interest in discussion that is intended to assimilate the contradicting entity.. it's especially touching to see the trite but sometimes effective manipulation: 'You poor thing, i remember when i was like you, but.. now i'm healed, and i'm so much better than you', LOL.. Be well.. From gang to Borg? I suppose you'd have to change the term since the gang-members you've passively identified are mostly critical of Steve. So you can't put Steve in the gang, but he's also being critical of you, so you have to find some new hive-mind structure to encompass all the people who are critical of you... Borg. Now you can be proud of your resistance and refusal to be assimilated. Just another way to paint yourself as a studly hero.
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 11, 2013 9:33:20 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I wish it were possible for y'all to see your own attachments to having 'Tzu' think and believe like you do.. i mean really attached.. sounds like committees, secret meetings, plots, etc.. what i observe is people experiencing separation, feeling threatened by its conflict with their beliefs.. then, like the Borg from Star Trek, acting to assimilate the contradicting entity.. i see no interest in discussion that is open and honest, only interest in discussion that is intended to assimilate the contradicting entity.. it's especially touching to see the trite but sometimes effective manipulation: 'You poor thing, i remember when i was like you, but.. now i'm healed, and i'm so much better than you', LOL.. Be well.. From gang to Borg? I suppose you'd have to change the term since the gang-members you've passively identified are mostly critical of Steve. So you can't put Steve in the gang, but he's also being critical of you, so you have to find some new hive-mind structure to encompass all the people who are critical of you... Borg. Now you can be proud of your resistance and refusal to be assimilated. Just another way to paint yourself as a studly hero. LOL.. no surprise here.. nice of you to join in.. Be well..
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