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Post by tzujanli on Mar 28, 2013 21:00:56 GMT -5
Greetings..
I am not interested in the source of information, in fact i prefer not to know of the sources of information.. it is the information itself that interests me, it will resonate, or be neutral, or be dissonant.. i will apply the information to my relationship with existence, or i will set it aside until other experience or information reveals its appropriate application.. there is very little information i discard, even less that i accept as 'true' or 'absolute'..
Be well..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2013 3:00:05 GMT -5
How to accuse someone of something, claim it's a fact,
and avoid having to prove it when challenged, thus retaining the thing that matters to self,
the belief self is right and the other wrong."My accusations are just as provable as yours" is the same as "You can't prove your accusations any more than I can prove mine" given that you can't prove yours, which you know you can't. You seem to like to play games with words.
i simply take note of the fact that you still haven't proven silver is blackmailing.
It's so very simple enigma, if it's a fact that silver is blackmailing, then you must have evidence.
If you claim to be a seeker and knower of truth, then common sense states it to be reasonable
to expect you to present the evidence to prove/verify your claim is the truth.
But because you spend all of your time and energy dancing around this simple task,
i must logically conclude you don't have the evidence, thus your claim, until proven, is bs.
Your claim is not a fact, it's currently an unsubstantiated accusation/theory/idea/assumption/guess/belief.
You talk a lot, i mean a real lot, yet just from this one incident, to me, you lack credibility.
That's what i see from my position in reality, and i don't have to prove it,
because i am not claiming it's a fact, it's only what i observe from my position.
And thus i simply choose to not believe a person who claims to seek and know truth,
because when asked to prove one claimed truth, either can't or wont.
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Post by topology on Mar 29, 2013 7:27:58 GMT -5
Greetings.. I am not interested in the source of information, in fact i prefer not to know of the sources of information.. it is the information itself that interests me, it will resonate, or be neutral, or be dissonant.. i will apply the information to my relationship with existence, or i will set it aside until other experience or information reveals its appropriate application.. there is very little information i discard, even less that i accept as 'true' or 'absolute'.. Be well.. It sounds like you believe you are in control over whether or not information gets applied. This would require control over other aspects of the body-mind, desire, will, thoughts, preferences... What are you in control of and what are you not in control of about yourself? |
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Post by topology on Mar 29, 2013 7:37:20 GMT -5
How to accuse someone of something, claim it's a fact,
and avoid having to prove it when challenged, thus retaining the thing that matters to self,
the belief self is right and the other wrong."My accusations are just as provable as yours" is the same as "You can't prove your accusations any more than I can prove mine" given that you can't prove yours, which you know you can't. You seem to like to play games with words.
i simply take note of the fact that you still haven't proven silver is blackmailing.
It's so very simple enigma, if it's a fact that silver is blackmailing, then you must have evidence.
If you claim to be a seeker and knower of truth, then common sense states it to be reasonable
to expect you to present the evidence to prove/verify your claim is the truth.
But because you spend all of your time and energy dancing around this simple task,
i must logically conclude you don't have the evidence, thus your claim, until proven, is bs.
Your claim is not a fact, it's currently an unsubstantiated accusation/theory/idea/assumption/guess/belief.
You talk a lot, i mean a real lot, yet just from this one incident, to me, you lack credibility.
That's what i see from my position in reality, and i don't have to prove it,
because i am not claiming it's a fact, it's only what i observe from my position.
And thus i simply choose to not believe a person who claims to seek and know truth,
because when asked to prove one claimed truth, either can't or wont. *measures the average length of MG posts against the average length of E posts* I can see who does more talking a lotting. Enigma put forward (emotional) blackmailing as an observation from his perspective, just like you are observing from your perspective, which you claim to not need to prove. and yet you demand he prove his. EDIT: fixed spelling error and added the appropriate qualification to blackmailing. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2013 8:54:37 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I am not interested in the source of information, in fact i prefer not to know of the sources of information.. it is the information itself that interests me, it will resonate, or be neutral, or be dissonant.. i will apply the information to my relationship with existence, or i will set it aside until other experience or information reveals its appropriate application.. there is very little information i discard, even less that i accept as 'true' or 'absolute'.. Be well.. It sounds like you believe you are in control over whether or not information gets applied. This would require control over other aspects of the body-mind, desire, will, thoughts, preferences... What are you in control of and what are you not in control of about yourself? I decide which and when i apply some information, and some information is assimilated and influences interactions due to its nature, i.e.: information that day has cycled into night influences me to use artificial light sources.. As for the matters that i am or am not in control of, that changes as 'i' evolve.. Be well.. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2013 8:55:10 GMT -5
Greetings..
Double Post
Be well..
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Post by topology on Mar 29, 2013 9:49:06 GMT -5
Greetings.. Double Post Be well.. If you click on the gear, you can delete the double post if you like. |
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Post by topology on Mar 29, 2013 9:54:02 GMT -5
Greetings.. It sounds like you believe you are in control over whether or not information gets applied. This would require control over other aspects of the body-mind, desire, will, thoughts, preferences... What are you in control of and what are you not in control of about yourself? I decide which and when i apply some information, and some information is assimilated and influences interactions due to its nature, i.e.: information that day has cycled into night influences me to use artificial light sources.. As for the matters that i am or am not in control of, that changes as 'i' evolve.. Be well.. I just don't understand. I can't decide when information gets applied because i'm not in control of thoughts occurring. When two opposing thoughts occur, it /looks like/ I have a choice between them, but the "choosing" just seems to be which ever thought was already dominant or stronger. |
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 29, 2013 10:32:08 GMT -5
Greetings.. Greetings.. I decide which and when i apply some information, and some information is assimilated and influences interactions due to its nature, i.e.: information that day has cycled into night influences me to use artificial light sources.. As for the matters that i am or am not in control of, that changes as 'i' evolve.. Be well.. I just don't understand. I can't decide when information gets applied because i'm not in control of thoughts occurring. When two opposing thoughts occur, it /looks like/ I have a choice between them, but the "choosing" just seems to be which ever thought was already dominant or stronger. That's the thing.. you've chosen that perspective, rather you've chosen to accept a particular story 'about' what 'you' are.. Stop 'thinking' stories.. you are in control, even by abdicating control as it seems you are wanting to do.. It is possible to be captured by the thought-loop that tries to 'reason' cause and effect, when it's plainly obvious by just 'looking'.. just look.. There are those that will capture others with 'stories about' what 'is' plainly obvious.. it is those 'stories' that are the source of competing self-images and competing story-tellers.. We make choices.. choosing to get lost in the thought-loops 'about' those choices are the distortions that separate attention from what 'is happening'.. Be well.. |
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2013 11:05:40 GMT -5
Greetings.. I just don't understand. I can't decide when information gets applied because i'm not in control of thoughts occurring. When two opposing thoughts occur, it /looks like/ I have a choice between them, but the "choosing" just seems to be which ever thought was already dominant or stronger. That's the thing.. you've chosen that perspective, rather you've chosen to accept a particular story 'about' what 'you' are.. Stop 'thinking' stories.. you are in control, even by abdicating control as it seems you are wanting to do.. It is possible to be captured by the thought-loop that tries to 'reason' cause and effect, when it's plainly obvious by just 'looking'.. just look.. There are those that will capture others with 'stories about' what 'is' plainly obvious.. it is those 'stories' that are the source of competing self-images and competing story-tellers.. We make choices.. choosing to get lost in the thought-loops 'about' those choices are the distortions that separate attention from what 'is happening'.. Be well.. Yet Another Example of Recursion. In the spirit of the Unix architects of yesteryear, I think I'll start using the acronym YAEOR |
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Post by enigma on Mar 29, 2013 11:12:17 GMT -5
How to accuse someone of something, claim it's a fact,
and avoid having to prove it when challenged, thus retaining the thing that matters to self,
the belief self is right and the other wrong."My accusations are just as provable as yours" is the same as "You can't prove your accusations any more than I can prove mine" given that you can't prove yours, which you know you can't. You seem to like to play games with words.
i simply take note of the fact that you still haven't proven silver is blackmailing.
It's so very simple enigma, if it's a fact that silver is blackmailing, then you must have evidence.
If you claim to be a seeker and knower of truth, then common sense states it to be reasonable
to expect you to present the evidence to prove/verify your claim is the truth.
But because you spend all of your time and energy dancing around this simple task,
i must logically conclude you don't have the evidence, thus your claim, until proven, is bs.
Your claim is not a fact, it's currently an unsubstantiated accusation/theory/idea/assumption/guess/belief.
You talk a lot, i mean a real lot, yet just from this one incident, to me, you lack credibility.
That's what i see from my position in reality, and i don't have to prove it,
because i am not claiming it's a fact, it's only what i observe from my position.
And thus i simply choose to not believe a person who claims to seek and know truth,
because when asked to prove one claimed truth, either can't or wont. From my perspective, she was clearly emotionally manipulating. I don't know what it would mean to call it a fact since the notion of emotionally manipulating is fundamentally subjective. What is manipulative for one may not be so for another. For the same reason, it can't possibly be proven. I don't recall calling it a fact, but if I did I mis-spoke. This 'conversation' passed my subjective absurdity threshold long ago and from my subjective perspective has become an obsession with you. |
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Post by silver on Mar 29, 2013 11:14:43 GMT -5
Greetings.. That's the thing.. you've chosen that perspective, rather you've chosen to accept a particular story 'about' what 'you' are.. Stop 'thinking' stories.. you are in control, even by abdicating control as it seems you are wanting to do.. It is possible to be captured by the thought-loop that tries to 'reason' cause and effect, when it's plainly obvious by just 'looking'.. just look.. There are those that will capture others with 'stories about' what 'is' plainly obvious.. it is those 'stories' that are the source of competing self-images and competing story-tellers.. We make choices.. choosing to get lost in the thought-loops 'about' those choices are the distortions that separate attention from what 'is happening'.. Be well.. Yet Another Example of Recursion. In the spirit of the Unix architects of yesteryear, I think I'll start using the acronym YAEOR I liked what Tzu said a lot. It made sense to me. (I know, what does that tell you!) Recursion? I don't see it.  |
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Post by laughter on Mar 29, 2013 11:16:07 GMT -5
Yet Another Example of Recursion. In the spirit of the Unix architects of yesteryear, I think I'll start using the acronym YAEOR I liked what Tzu said a lot. It made sense to me. (I know, what does that tell you!) Recursion? I don't see it. In this case Silver, I'll accept the invitation to do another push onto the stack. Tzu's post was a story about storytelling. In saying that, I've just made up a story about a story about storytelling. That is recursion. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 29, 2013 11:18:23 GMT -5
Heh... can't get the song 'A Boy Named Tzu' out of my head, now.
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Post by silver on Mar 29, 2013 11:19:39 GMT -5
I liked what Tzu said a lot. It made sense to me. (I know, what does that tell you!) Recursion? I don't see it. In this case Silver, I'll accept the invitation to do another push onto the stack. Tzu's post was a story about storytelling. In saying that, I've just made up a story about a story about storytelling. That is recursion. Oops. I presed the 'silver likes' button instead of the other one. I like it anyway hehe. Yeah, I just googled recursion because it's getting a lot of use here lately... I haven't jumped into the middle of a conversation in a while and I missed it! (and I'm glad I did) |
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