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Post by Reefs on Mar 28, 2013 9:39:59 GMT -5
Does Bashar teach flow experience?  Does it have to be called flow experience? That's Csiks' term, he also calls it 'the optimal experience'. A-H call it 'being in the vortex'. When it comes to teaching happiness, flow is as far as you can go. What's the Bashar equivalent? |
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Post by laughter on Mar 28, 2013 9:41:36 GMT -5
Yup, yup. One shouldn't mistake Top's natural mental disposition and preferences as some kind of foggy bias. He seems to be the Libra type that naturally is weighing the pros and cons about everything. He rarely spins stories. Basically, his storytelling skills suck.  Yeah, actually there was a time as a kid that I did a lot of creative writing, but then I became all emo. I was like "hey dad, read what I wrote" and he was like "That's nice son, but I have to go to work.". And I was like "I'm never going to be good enough for you.". And I took my pencil and stabbed myself in the heart, and now I can't feel nothing any more.... actually there's more truth in that than exaggeration. Yeah my story telling sucks now. topo', can you replay this event these days and look at it from a perspective other than the child that you were then? Specifically, after having learned everything you've learned, and had kids of your own now, what do you think your father was thinking at that moment? I can understand if you don't wanna go through all of this out on the open forum ... |
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Post by silver on Mar 28, 2013 9:50:17 GMT -5
Ha ha very funny.  So this question of yours>> seems out of place, because you've been asking me a lot of questions. What did you think I meant by that?  A requirement to me is a condition placed on friendship. Meet x requirement or else. If you hadn't answered my question it wouldn't have changed anything. I was pushing with my questions, more to try to stay focussed on the subject. That was a joint theme between you and Andrew. My questions were very directed and I felt like your answers would go sideways at times, so I would keep the focus by asking another question. You leave me scratching my head, Top. You take a very simple word and load it up with all sorts of 'your' hidden meanings. How am I to converse with you, knowing a simple word becomes embellished with all sorts of unexpected additions to its meaning? This seems to be an echo of an earlier tussle we had - the dreaded and infamous 'blackmailing' thingy.  And I'd like to know what you mean by "That was a joint theme between you and andrew." I have no idea about what that means. |
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Post by topology on Mar 28, 2013 9:58:37 GMT -5
Does it have to be called flow experience? That's Csiks' term, he also calls it 'the optimal experience'. A-H call it 'being in the vortex'. When it comes to teaching happiness, flow is as far as you can go. What's the Bashar equivalent? My point is that someone can teach "lessons" that are applicable to a subject they are not formally teaching. For example, that snippet that Andrew linked that I talked about helped improve my flow. Instead of turning on the TV, the thoughts came to mind that if I really wanted to change then I would do something else and a different decision happened. I went to my bedroom and journaled. It seems premature to dismiss Bashar's value if what he is saying is affecting people in constructive ways. Does someone have to teach the subject of flow before what they say helps you move into flow? |
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Post by topology on Mar 28, 2013 10:00:26 GMT -5
A requirement to me is a condition placed on friendship. Meet x requirement or else. If you hadn't answered my question it wouldn't have changed anything. I was pushing with my questions, more to try to stay focussed on the subject. That was a joint theme between you and Andrew. My questions were very directed and I felt like your answers would go sideways at times, so I would keep the focus by asking another question. You leave me scratching my head, Top. You take a very simple word and load it up with all sorts of 'your' hidden meanings. How am I to converse with you, knowing a simple word becomes embellished with all sorts of unexpected additions to its meaning? This seems to be an echo of an earlier tussle we had - the dreaded and infamous 'blackmailing' thingy. And I'd like to know what you mean by "That was a joint theme between you and andrew." I have no idea about what that means. I was being more direct and pushy with you and Andrew. How do you see the word requirement? |
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Post by silver on Mar 28, 2013 10:05:57 GMT -5
You leave me scratching my head, Top. You take a very simple word and load it up with all sorts of 'your' hidden meanings. How am I to converse with you, knowing a simple word becomes embellished with all sorts of unexpected additions to its meaning? This seems to be an echo of an earlier tussle we had - the dreaded and infamous 'blackmailing' thingy. And I'd like to know what you mean by "That was a joint theme between you and andrew." I have no idea about what that means. I was being more direct and pushy with you and Andrew. How do you see the word requirement? Well, in the context of our exchange, or not, heh, more like a simple request in the form of your series of questions. That's all. |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 28, 2013 10:08:32 GMT -5
That's Csiks' term, he also calls it 'the optimal experience'. A-H call it 'being in the vortex'. When it comes to teaching happiness, flow is as far as you can go. What's the Bashar equivalent? My point is that someone can teach "lessons" that are applicable to a subject they are not formally teaching. For example, that snippet that Andrew linked that I talked about helped improve my flow. Instead of turning on the TV, the thoughts came to mind that if I really wanted to change then I would do something else and a different decision happened. I went to my bedroom and journaled. It seems premature to dismiss Bashar's value if what he is saying is affecting people in constructive ways. Does someone have to teach the subject of flow before what they say helps you move into flow? Did I tell you to stop listening to Bashar? I told you my preference, that's all. I'm not interested in flow. |
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Post by topology on Mar 28, 2013 11:01:47 GMT -5
I was being more direct and pushy with you and Andrew. How do you see the word requirement? Well, in the context of our exchange, or not, heh, more like a simple request in the form of your series of questions. That's all. A request is something I see as without consequences for the request not being satisfied. A requirement has consequences if it is not satisfied. This is of course coming from my context of working with formal specifications in software (or any formal specifications). |
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Post by enigma on Mar 28, 2013 11:02:14 GMT -5
How exciting! Lightworkers get to authenticate any and all stories through their connections to the astral realm. Channel a few astrals and they have all the supporting 'evidence' they need. Personally, I think Bashar is the kingpin.  The video of Bashar that Andrew linked me to a few month's ago had an impact on me. It was talking about change coming from the inside out. If you change in response to a situation, you'll get the same situation again and again until you habituate the expression of the internal change. He called getting the same situation again an "echo" which presents the opportunity to demonstrate the internal change. There have been times when that thought arose in situations I've been wanting to change, like cutting out the TV instead of turning it on. He no doubt has an impact on a lot of folks, and in many cases it may be a distracting influence. We can also talk about that 'echo' as a split mind focus, and the 'habituation' as playing into that split instead of resolving it. |
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Post by topology on Mar 28, 2013 11:05:01 GMT -5
My point is that someone can teach "lessons" that are applicable to a subject they are not formally teaching. For example, that snippet that Andrew linked that I talked about helped improve my flow. Instead of turning on the TV, the thoughts came to mind that if I really wanted to change then I would do something else and a different decision happened. I went to my bedroom and journaled. It seems premature to dismiss Bashar's value if what he is saying is affecting people in constructive ways. Does someone have to teach the subject of flow before what they say helps you move into flow? Did I tell you to stop listening to Bashar? I told you my preference, that's all. I'm not interested in flow. You're the one that brought flow up as a differentiator between A-H and Bashar. Yes, and I told you that I saw the way you were expressing your preference looked like a double standard. Guru elitism. |
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Post by topology on Mar 28, 2013 11:07:31 GMT -5
The video of Bashar that Andrew linked me to a few month's ago had an impact on me. It was talking about change coming from the inside out. If you change in response to a situation, you'll get the same situation again and again until you habituate the expression of the internal change. He called getting the same situation again an "echo" which presents the opportunity to demonstrate the internal change. There have been times when that thought arose in situations I've been wanting to change, like cutting out the TV instead of turning it on. He no doubt has an impact on a lot of folks, and in many cases it may be a distracting influence. We can also talk about that 'echo' as a split mind focus, and the 'habituation' as playing into that split instead of resolving it. I am not savy on the concept of split mind focus yet. The split being a subtle judgment? The habituation being doubling down on the judgment and re-enforcing it? |
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Post by Reefs on Mar 28, 2013 11:15:06 GMT -5
Did I tell you to stop listening to Bashar? I told you my preference, that's all. I'm not interested in flow. You're the one that brought flow up as a differentiator between A-H and Bashar. Yes, and I told you that I saw the way you were expressing your preference looked like a double standard. Guru elitism. I called A-H the original and Bashar the for dummies version of A-H. That was the differentiator, not flow. I asked if Bashar teaches flow out of curiosity. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 28, 2013 11:36:30 GMT -5
A requirement to me is a condition placed on friendship. Meet x requirement or else. If you hadn't answered my question it wouldn't have changed anything. I was pushing with my questions, more to try to stay focussed on the subject. That was a joint theme between you and Andrew. My questions were very directed and I felt like your answers would go sideways at times, so I would keep the focus by asking another question. You leave me scratching my head, Top. You take a very simple word and load it up with all sorts of 'your' hidden meanings. How am I to converse with you, knowing a simple word becomes embellished with all sorts of unexpected additions to its meaning? This seems to be an echo of an earlier tussle we had - the dreaded and infamous 'blackmailing' thingy. And I'd like to know what you mean by "That was a joint theme between you and andrew." I have no idea about what that means. It looks to me like it only gets complicated when trying to explain the difference between how it was intended and how it was perceived. I think the intention was to help you stay focused on the topic, and you interpreted that as him placing requirements on you. However, the real problem is that he wanted to talk about nonduality, and you have no particular interest, so you understandably couldn't stay focused. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 28, 2013 11:49:50 GMT -5
That's Csiks' term, he also calls it 'the optimal experience'. A-H call it 'being in the vortex'. When it comes to teaching happiness, flow is as far as you can go. What's the Bashar equivalent? My point is that someone can teach "lessons" that are applicable to a subject they are not formally teaching. For example, that snippet that Andrew linked that I talked about helped improve my flow. Instead of turning on the TV, the thoughts came to mind that if I really wanted to change then I would do something else and a different decision happened. I went to my bedroom and journaled. It seems premature to dismiss Bashar's value if what he is saying is affecting people in constructive ways. Does someone have to teach the subject of flow before what they say helps you move into flow? Bashar isn't being dismissed as having no value any more than Tony Robins or the local preacher or any other teacher. They all have value to somebody at a given level of understanding/awareness, but all teachers are not created equal. I think it's absurd to introduce the Bashar chanelings into a nondual forum as though they dovetail in some way. It's not a sign of being open and flexible, it's a sign of being distracted. |
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Post by silver on Mar 28, 2013 12:04:25 GMT -5
You leave me scratching my head, Top. You take a very simple word and load it up with all sorts of 'your' hidden meanings. How am I to converse with you, knowing a simple word becomes embellished with all sorts of unexpected additions to its meaning? This seems to be an echo of an earlier tussle we had - the dreaded and infamous 'blackmailing' thingy. And I'd like to know what you mean by "That was a joint theme between you and andrew." I have no idea about what that means. It looks to me like it only gets complicated when trying to explain the difference between how it was intended and how it was perceived. I think the intention was to help you stay focused on the topic, and you interpreted that as him placing requirements on you. However, the real problem is that he wanted to talk about nonduality, and you have no particular interest, so you understandably couldn't stay focused.  Seein' as you're going all Fantasia on me..... |
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