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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 14:32:40 GMT -5
I could've further chagrinned you  by saying see? You said "they" are "both" occurring..... Maybe I'll just leave it at that - it seems pretty obvious they are simply 2 different things in the same vicinity. I didn't say anything about them being separate from each other. I said separate from YOU. Hold both hands out there next to the glass. Your two hands are separate from each other just as your hand is separate from the glass, but why is the hand not separate from you and the glass is separate from you? I couldn't make sense of the first sentence. The glass isn't attached to me. My hand may pick the glass up, because it isn't a part of me. Maybe you're trying to say that the separate things/objects in my vicinity are a part of my experience(s)? |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 14:34:07 GMT -5
You truly are silly - I meant in general - people playing with 'their' kids, 'my' kids (iow hypothetical) - I know, it didn't come out right!  (I just knew someone - not surprised it's you, B - would pick up on that faux pas.) He's not truly silly, at all. I know - but he knows that we all have silly moments... I'm not putting him down (I think he knows that). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 15:26:14 GMT -5
He's not truly silly, at all. I know - but he knows that we all have silly moments... I'm not putting him down (I think he knows that). If you know that he's not truly silly, what is anyone to make of the words " You truly are silly" ...?
He's already expressed his concerns about your communication, here. In this post you wrote that "you are so taking me all wrong!" amongst other things ~ how is anyone really to know what you mean, unless you are clear about your sentiment?
You wrote here that we could blame Top for your presence here, so it could naturally be thought that you know him personally and that you've played with his children recently. |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 15:57:59 GMT -5
I know - but he knows that we all have silly moments... I'm not putting him down (I think he knows that). If you know that he's not truly silly, what is anyone to make of the words " You truly are silly" ...?
He's already expressed his concerns about your communication, here. In this post you wrote that "you are so taking me all wrong!" amongst other things ~ how is anyone really to know what you mean, unless you are clear about your sentiment?
You wrote here that we could blame Top for your presence here, so it could naturally be thought that you know him personally and that you've played with his children recently. Well, I guess it doesn't come across the same on a forum as it does IRL - it brings back kind/warm memories when my mom would grab me gently by the chin and just say with a big grin on her face if I said something funny or did something funny that I was 'truly silly' or something similar. In a loving teasing way. If you didn't have a mom or other loved one that did that, I guess it would make one wonder... In the context of that, it shouldn't be all that hard for reasonably seasoned adults to comprehend, and that these moments have come - and gone! I have no hard feelings about my frustrations from yesterday and if I did, I'd probably say so. That thing about 'blaming' Top - it's just my sense of humor, I guess that doesn't go over well with you and whomever else. My apologies. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 16:22:48 GMT -5
It's with Beingist, to accept your apology.
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 16:34:50 GMT -5
It's with Beingist, to accept your apology. Yes, and my apology was intended to whom (Beingist and anyone else) it may have offended. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 16:57:49 GMT -5
I didn't say anything about them being separate from each other. I said separate from YOU. Hold both hands out there next to the glass. Your two hands are separate from each other just as your hand is separate from the glass, but why is the hand not separate from you and the glass is separate from you? I couldn't make sense of the first sentence. The glass isn't attached to me. My hand may pick the glass up, because it isn't a part of me. Maybe you're trying to say that the separate things/objects in my vicinity are a part of my experience(s)? Yes everything is occurring within your experience. The body, the computer, the glass of water. It is all how you are manifesting at the present moment. You identify yourself with the body. Your hand is connected to the body and that is how it is part of you. But why are you the body? Why is the body not considered simply a vehicle, like a car, that you ride around in? The car is not you, but the body is you. What is the difference? |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 17:06:10 GMT -5
I couldn't make sense of the first sentence. The glass isn't attached to me. My hand may pick the glass up, because it isn't a part of me. Maybe you're trying to say that the separate things/objects in my vicinity are a part of my experience(s)? Yes everything is occurring within your experience. The body, the computer, the glass of water. It is all how you are manifesting at the present moment. You identify yourself with the body. Your hand is connected to the body and that is how it is part of you. But why are you the body? Why is the body not considered simply a vehicle, like a car, that you ride around in? The car is not you, but the body is you. What is the difference? I tend to approach it like I did the glass - made up of different material(s), someone else in a factory put together the vehicle and the glass is poured into a mold where it hardens into - a glass! Elementary, my dear Topson. I once said something very similar over on SF - that our spirits ride around in our bodies just like a car. So, I get the concept, but all these thing are still separated. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 17:21:49 GMT -5
Yes everything is occurring within your experience. The body, the computer, the glass of water. It is all how you are manifesting at the present moment. You identify yourself with the body. Your hand is connected to the body and that is how it is part of you. But why are you the body? Why is the body not considered simply a vehicle, like a car, that you ride around in? The car is not you, but the body is you. What is the difference? I tend to approach it like I did the glass - made up of different material(s), someone else in a factory put together the vehicle and the glass is poured into a mold where it hardens into - a glass! Elementary, my dear Topson. I once said something very similar over on SF - that our spirits ride around in our bodies just like a car. So, I get the concept, but all these thing are still separated. But you said the body wasn't separate from you. How is it not separate, like the car is separate from you? |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 17:28:26 GMT -5
I tend to approach it like I did the glass - made up of different material(s), someone else in a factory put together the vehicle and the glass is poured into a mold where it hardens into - a glass! Elementary, my dear Topson. I once said something very similar over on SF - that our spirits ride around in our bodies just like a car. So, I get the concept, but all these thing are still separated. But you said the body wasn't separate from you. How is it not separate, like the car is separate from you? Okay. Now I'm getting a bit confused by what you're saying. I was raised in the Episcopal church, so I grew up believing we have spirits that reside in our bodies and when we die - poof the spirit goes elsewhere. I'm used to thinking like that. At this point, I'm not terribly certain how nonduallies see this.....Just like the glass is made to put water / drink in, the liquid never started out as the same thing as the glass. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 26, 2013 18:43:29 GMT -5
If you know that he's not truly silly, what is anyone to make of the words " You truly are silly" ...?
He's already expressed his concerns about your communication, here. In this post you wrote that "you are so taking me all wrong!" amongst other things ~ how is anyone really to know what you mean, unless you are clear about your sentiment?
You wrote here that we could blame Top for your presence here, so it could naturally be thought that you know him personally and that you've played with his children recently. Well, I guess it doesn't come across the same on a forum as it does IRL - it brings back kind/warm memories when my mom would grab me gently by the chin and just say with a big grin on her face if I said something funny or did something funny that I was 'truly silly' or something similar. In a loving teasing way. If you didn't have a mom or other loved one that did that, I guess it would make one wonder... In the context of that, it shouldn't be all that hard for reasonably seasoned adults to comprehend, and that these moments have come - and gone! I have no hard feelings about my frustrations from yesterday and if I did, I'd probably say so. That thing about 'blaming' Top - it's just my sense of humor, I guess that doesn't go over well with you and whomever else. My apologies. I wouldn't want to speak for B, but given the usual level of discourse here, "truly silly" seems truly tame to me.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 26, 2013 18:47:41 GMT -5
Yes everything is occurring within your experience. The body, the computer, the glass of water. It is all how you are manifesting at the present moment. You identify yourself with the body. Your hand is connected to the body and that is how it is part of you. But why are you the body? Why is the body not considered simply a vehicle, like a car, that you ride around in? The car is not you, but the body is you. What is the difference? I tend to approach it like I did the glass - made up of different material(s), someone else in a factory put together the vehicle and the glass is poured into a mold where it hardens into - a glass! Elementary, my dear Topson. I once said something very similar over on SF - that our spirits ride around in our bodies just like a car. So, I get the concept, but all these thing are still separated. What if the body is compared to something of similar materials, like a giraffe? |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 18:55:39 GMT -5
I tend to approach it like I did the glass - made up of different material(s), someone else in a factory put together the vehicle and the glass is poured into a mold where it hardens into - a glass! Elementary, my dear Topson. I once said something very similar over on SF - that our spirits ride around in our bodies just like a car. So, I get the concept, but all these thing are still separated. What if the body is compared to something of similar materials, like a giraffe? Ah, whatever do you mean? Like this?  Lovely |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 26, 2013 19:22:01 GMT -5
It's with Beingist, to accept your apology. Yes, and my apology was intended to whom (Beingist and anyone else) it may have offended. Are you apologizing for calling me silly?! Pfft. Silly!
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 19:40:58 GMT -5
But you said the body wasn't separate from you. How is it not separate, like the car is separate from you? Okay. Now I'm getting a bit confused by what you're saying. I was raised in the Episcopal church, so I grew up believing we have spirits that reside in our bodies and when we die - poof the spirit goes elsewhere. I'm used to thinking like that. At this point, I'm not terribly certain how nonduallies see this.....Just like the glass is made to put water / drink in, the liquid never started out as the same thing as the glass. Non duallies would ask, how do you know what spirit is or that it exists? Where does it come from and where does it go? How can you come to learn the truth while shedding belief? Who or what is it that knows the answers, that knows the truth? These are questions to stimulate inquiry and move away from belief. To sit in the not knowing until a different kind of knowing comes forward. |
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by saying see? You said "they" are "both" occurring.....
