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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 1:18:48 GMT -5
I don't know why you ask these kinds of questions, they seem too simple. Yes, I exist. Yes, I've experienced stuff apart from myself. The simple questions are the most profound. How did you experience something apart from your self? What was it, in what way was it separate from you? Sometimes simple questions are the most profound. How did I experience something apart from myself? I don't know how to answer that one. What was it, in what way was it separate from me? It was too many things to count or recount. Yes, I get where you're going with this and I sometimes have a sense that things are 'one' - but I don't see it as particularly profound - just interesting and in a very unique way, amusing. Most of the time, I don't think much about whether or not I'm a separate 'part' of the world and doesn't matter much. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 26, 2013 1:57:07 GMT -5
It is not a given. You just speculate that. We're talking about the realm of things that require faith. If you've seen the movie, Contact, remember both the scenes where they questioned her about whether she believed in God and they decided against her going the first time because of her 'lack of faith' and then when she 'got back' when she went the second time, she kept trying to tell them that she experienced these miraculous things - she'd done a total 180 - and it will always be that way - unless Jesus (or his sis) shows up some day - and even then - all our beliefs and related notions require faith - and it remains unprovable. We can be deceived - even if that deception is innocuous. Nobody can prove anything of this nature. Again, you don't know that. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 7:00:32 GMT -5
The simple questions are the most profound. How did you experience something apart from your self? What was it, in what way was it separate from you? Sometimes simple questions are the most profound. How did I experience something apart from myself? I don't know how to answer that one. What was it, in what way was it separate from me? It was too many things to count or recount. Yes, I get where you're going with this and I sometimes have a sense that things are 'one' - but I don't see it as particularly profound - just interesting and in a very unique way, amusing. Most of the time, I don't think much about whether or not I'm a separate 'part' of the world and doesn't matter much. Just pick one thing that you experience and think is separate from you, something you can experience at will and can sit with at your computer desk. |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 8:30:44 GMT -5
We're talking about the realm of things that require faith. If you've seen the movie, Contact, remember both the scenes where they questioned her about whether she believed in God and they decided against her going the first time because of her 'lack of faith' and then when she 'got back' when she went the second time, she kept trying to tell them that she experienced these miraculous things - she'd done a total 180 - and it will always be that way - unless Jesus (or his sis) shows up some day - and even then - all our beliefs and related notions require faith - and it remains unprovable. We can be deceived - even if that deception is innocuous. Nobody can prove anything of this nature. Again, you don't know that. Right.....anything that you or I believe is factual cannot be proven, especially our beliefs / philosophies. What we think we are seeing / witness to can be in error and is all product of our senses, minds, based on what we call experiences. Nothing at all can be proven. |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 8:31:51 GMT -5
Sometimes simple questions are the most profound. How did I experience something apart from myself? I don't know how to answer that one. What was it, in what way was it separate from me? It was too many things to count or recount. Yes, I get where you're going with this and I sometimes have a sense that things are 'one' - but I don't see it as particularly profound - just interesting and in a very unique way, amusing. Most of the time, I don't think much about whether or not I'm a separate 'part' of the world and doesn't matter much. Just pick one thing that you experience and think is separate from you, something you can experience at will and can sit with at your computer desk. To me, that could be anything and everything, from eating a meal to driving a vehicle to watching TV or playing with your kids. |
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Post by Beingist on Mar 26, 2013 9:55:47 GMT -5
Just pick one thing that you experience and think is separate from you, something you can experience at will and can sit with at your computer desk. To me, that could be anything and everything, from eating a meal to driving a vehicle to watching TV or playing with your kids. You play with tops' kids?  |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 10:15:32 GMT -5
To me, that could be anything and everything, from eating a meal to driving a vehicle to watching TV or playing with your kids. You play with tops' kids? You truly are silly - I meant in general - people playing with 'their' kids, 'my' kids (iow hypothetical) - I know, it didn't come out right!  (I just knew someone - not surprised it's you, B - would pick up on that faux pas.) |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 11:07:26 GMT -5
Just pick one thing that you experience and think is separate from you, something you can experience at will and can sit with at your computer desk. To me, that could be anything and everything, from eating a meal to driving a vehicle to watching TV or playing with your kids. You have an inability to engage the topic and the exercise. Pick 1 thing that is near you right now that you think is separate from you. Sit with it, look at it, tell me about it and tell me how you know it is separate from you. 1 thing. Humor me, please. |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 11:11:55 GMT -5
To me, that could be anything and everything, from eating a meal to driving a vehicle to watching TV or playing with your kids. You have an inability to engage the topic and the exercise. Pick 1 thing that is near you right now that you think is separate from you. Sit with it, look at it, tell me about it and tell me how you know it is separate from you. 1 thing. Humor me, please. Well, you didn't say it had to be something in proximity. (Your instructions leave somewhat to be desired.) Okay, how's this: drinking a glass of water. Tactile senses say that this glass of water is not me - I am not made of glass and even though I can contain water, it gets digested or processed through my system - the glass can only contain the water. The water is cold and I can feel that it's not the same temperature as my esophagus and stomach. *shrug* How did I do? |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 11:14:55 GMT -5
You have an inability to engage the topic and the exercise. Pick 1 thing that is near you right now that you think is separate from you. Sit with it, look at it, tell me about it and tell me how you know it is separate from you. 1 thing. Humor me, please. Well, you didn't say it had to be something in proximity. (Your instructions leave somewhat to be desired.) Okay, how's this: drinking a glass of water. Tactile senses say that this glass of water is not me - I am not made of glass and even though I can contain water, it gets digested or processed through my system - the glass can only contain the water. The water is cold and I can feel that it's not the same temperature as my esophagus and stomach. *shrug* How did I do? Does your arm and hand that you used to pick up the glass exist separate from you? |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 11:17:34 GMT -5
Well, you didn't say it had to be something in proximity. (Your instructions leave somewhat to be desired.) Okay, how's this: drinking a glass of water. Tactile senses say that this glass of water is not me - I am not made of glass and even though I can contain water, it gets digested or processed through my system - the glass can only contain the water. The water is cold and I can feel that it's not the same temperature as my esophagus and stomach. *shrug* How did I do? Does your arm and hand that you used to pick up the glass exist separate from you? I sure hope not - No. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 12:02:25 GMT -5
Does your arm and hand that you used to pick up the glass exist separate from you? I sure hope not - No. Put your hand beside the glass of water and look a them both simultaneously. How do you know one is separate from you and the other is not? They are both occurring on the same dimension of sensation, visual experience. |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 14:18:00 GMT -5
Put your hand beside the glass of water and look a them both simultaneously. How do you know one is separate from you and the other is not? They are both occurring on the same dimension of sensation, visual experience. I could've further chagrinned you  by saying see? You said "they" are "both" occurring..... Maybe I'll just leave it at that - it seems pretty obvious they are simply 2 different things in the same vicinity. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 14:24:35 GMT -5
Put your hand beside the glass of water and look a them both simultaneously. How do you know one is separate from you and the other is not? They are both occurring on the same dimension of sensation, visual experience. I could've further chagrinned you by saying see? You said "they" are "both" occurring..... Maybe I'll just leave it at that - it seems pretty obvious they are simply 2 different things in the same vicinity. I didn't say anything about them being separate from each other. I said separate from YOU. Hold both hands out there next to the glass. Your two hands are separate from each other just as your hand is separate from the glass, but why is the hand not separate from you and the glass is separate from you? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2013 14:29:25 GMT -5
You play with tops' kids? You truly are silly - I meant in general - people playing with 'their' kids, 'my' kids (iow hypothetical) - I know, it didn't come out right! (I just knew someone - not surprised it's you, B - would pick up on that faux pas.) He's not truly silly, at all. |
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by saying see? You said "they" are "both" occurring.....