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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 18:58:40 GMT -5
Mocking - abusing vocally; expressing contempt or ridicule,derisive, gibelike, jeering, taunting
disrespectful - exhibiting lack of respect; rude and discourteous.
So i theorise the practice is to lower Andrew's value or raise his own.Crusade:
- a vigorous and dedicated action or movement in favour of a cause
- to campaign vigorously for something
Why do you value some of enigma's behavior over other's complaints about them?I value not relating through emotional wounds.
about someone, you value his behavior more than the other's complaint about it because you've made your value judgement
from a state of being that is not influenced by your emotional wounds? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2013 19:33:07 GMT -5
If you're asking, then you don't know. You're thinking about it conceptually, or as a belief. When you can see it, you will not have questions about it, you will know. Ahhh, but neither of us can 'know'. 
This is why they get upset when you(others) don't agree wth their claims and accusations about life and you.
And if they become frustrated enough, they end up telling others they are blind or stupid or some other derogatory remark
for not being able to see the truth that they see so easliy.
In other words, they insult others because they love them, they RT bash because they love you.You're blind as a bat right now (not the only one, though). What crossed my mind when you posted this last bit is that I think I've had enough of being dissected in the BP thread. I'm not being seen for who I am. You are Presence. You are the Light of Consciousness.
even though they don't have proof...all they have is their individual thoughts about it.
But because they live in a thought world where they unconsciously believe thier thoughts reflect the absolute truth about reality,
they don't see their statements are their thoughts, they actually see it's the absolute truth,
and they are just empty no self portals for this truth to shine forth from.
It's not their thoughts, they haven't "minded" these conclusions because they(self) doesn't exist,
there is no tricksy mind formulating these conclusions,
these statements they make come from Oneness, Presence, the Light of Consciousness.
In other words, they are the voice of god.
So when you say to them, "You are not seeing me for who i am."
All they are thinking is, "Oh no silver, it is you who doesn't see who you are."
Totally oblivious they fell for the oldest trick in the book and are blinded by the religion they are in.
Each religion claims to be the only path to truth, and each person in this religion
is so convinced this is true, that conscious thought is no longer required.
They exist on the absolute path of truth and there is no need to examine or debate it.
They went down the rabbit hole and totally forgot they went down it. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 25, 2013 23:31:56 GMT -5
"I want to know so I can get a sense of where you are relating from. You're relating from an innate distrust and suspicion of motive." That comment (2nd sentence) reflects that you don't 'read' people's intentions or at least mine well at all. That is not it at all. It may be innate, but it's not distrust /suspicion of motive - it's far more like an overlay of gentle curiosity of one human being wanting to know more about another, but I mean no harm. The questions you asked me in response to my questions to you all indicate that you feel like I have an ulterior motive for asking my initial questions other than an interest in you. Like I need to defend E, or I'm seeing you as mean or disrespectful. You're speculating as to my motive and then trying to head off any response at the pass. Then you ask me if I see anything wrong with those answers, so you're expecting criticism from me. All of that was wrestling with the hypothetical story around why I would be asking the questions that I asked. Remember MG's story about his conversations with his friend? All of his communication problems with his friend came from trying to talk to his mental model of his friend instead of simply answering the questions without looking for explanations of motive, without trying to manage the interaction. It's a wonderful question. Are we engaging each other, or are we engaging the mental model, the stored up image of each other? Reef's mocking is engaging the stored up image. Enigma has much less of a stored up image in his mind, always willing to form a new impression it seems, but will go with the old impression if that is what is coming up. ZD appears to have no mental image of anyone on the forum. That's why people think his posting is so great. When there is no image to wrestle with, it is a breath of fresh air. That is what this thread is about, shedding that accumulated mental image of others. I absotively agree with setting that mental image aside and being open to what is actually being presented here and now. However, if that mental image was acquired in the same open way, it has validity. It represents knowledge about the other that can be used in various ways, including learning how to communicate effectively and understanding where one is coming from, as you showed here. Instead of forgetting everything we know about a person on each encounter, which is not possible anyhoo, it's critical to perceive accurately every time. ZD may appear to have no prior image, but he's a pretty smart guy. No prior image is not the same as no interest in cornering the cigarette man.  |
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Post by enigma on Mar 25, 2013 23:46:52 GMT -5
Ahhh, but neither of us can 'know'.
This is why they get upset when you(others) don't agree wth their claims and accusations about life and you.
And if they become frustrated enough, they end up telling others they are blind or stupid or some other derogatory remark
for not being able to see the truth that they see so easliy.
In other words, they insult others because they love them, they RT bash because they love you.You are Presence. You are the Light of Consciousness.
even though they don't have proof...all they have is their individual thoughts about it.
But because they live in a thought world where they unconsciously believe thier thoughts reflect the absolute truth about reality,
they don't see their statements are their thoughts, they actually see it's the absolute truth,
and they are just empty no self portals for this truth to shine forth from.
It's not their thoughts, they haven't "minded" these conclusions because they(self) doesn't exist,
there is no tricksy mind formulating these conclusions,
these statements they make come from Oneness, Presence, the Light of Consciousness.
In other words, they are the voice of god.
So when you say to them, "You are not seeing me for who i am."
All they are thinking is, "Oh no silver, it is you who doesn't see who you are."
Totally oblivious they fell for the oldest trick in the book and are blinded by the religion they are in.
Each religion claims to be the only path to truth, and each person in this religion
is so convinced this is true, that conscious thought is no longer required.
They exist on the absolute path of truth and there is no need to examine or debate it.
They went down the rabbit hole and totally forgot they went down it.Do you have any proof to back up your accusations? |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 0:04:18 GMT -5
If you're asking, then you don't know. You're thinking about it conceptually, or as a belief. When you can see it, you will not have questions about it, you will know. Ahhh, but neither of us can 'know'. How do you know that? |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 0:06:40 GMT -5
I value not relating through emotional wounds.
about someone, you value his behavior more than the other's complaint about it because you've made your value judgement
from a state of being that is not influenced by your emotional wounds?too much presupposition to engage the question. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 0:09:04 GMT -5
Ahhh, but neither of us can 'know'.
This is why they get upset when you(others) don't agree wth their claims and accusations about life and you.
And if they become frustrated enough, they end up telling others they are blind or stupid or some other derogatory remark
for not being able to see the truth that they see so easliy.
In other words, they insult others because they love them, they RT bash because they love you.You are Presence. You are the Light of Consciousness.
even though they don't have proof...all they have is their individual thoughts about it.
But because they live in a thought world where they unconsciously believe thier thoughts reflect the absolute truth about reality,
they don't see their statements are their thoughts, they actually see it's the absolute truth,
and they are just empty no self portals for this truth to shine forth from.
It's not their thoughts, they haven't "minded" these conclusions because they(self) doesn't exist,
there is no tricksy mind formulating these conclusions,
these statements they make come from Oneness, Presence, the Light of Consciousness.
In other words, they are the voice of god.
So when you say to them, "You are not seeing me for who i am."
All they are thinking is, "Oh no silver, it is you who doesn't see who you are."
Totally oblivious they fell for the oldest trick in the book and are blinded by the religion they are in.
Each religion claims to be the only path to truth, and each person in this religion
is so convinced this is true, that conscious thought is no longer required.
They exist on the absolute path of truth and there is no need to examine or debate it.
They went down the rabbit hole and totally forgot they went down it.MG, I came to my perspective and to the way I am through direct experience, intuition, skepticism, exploration, and searching for truth. You are full of speculation about me. |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 0:15:19 GMT -5
Ahhh, but neither of us can 'know'. How do you know that? Because when it comes to such ethereal subject matter, it's totally a given that no one can know, but peeps often accept circumstantial evidence and of course>>>what feels good, right, etc. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 26, 2013 0:29:08 GMT -5
Please let me if i have interpreted this incorrectly. When enigma makes a derogative statement, or unverifed accuasation
about someone, you value his behavior more than the other's complaint about it because you've made your value judgement
from a state of being that is not influenced by your emotional wounds? too much presupposition to engage the question. That's precisely my reaction to much of what Mr Goat says. I figure, 'I can unravel it, but to what end?', and so I give up. |
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Post by enigma on Mar 26, 2013 0:32:25 GMT -5
Because when it comes to such ethereal subject matter, it's totally a given that no one can know, but peeps often accept circumstantial evidence and of course>>>what feels good, right, etc. It is not a given. You just speculate that. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 0:37:09 GMT -5
Because when it comes to such ethereal subject matter, it's totally a given that no one can know, but peeps often accept circumstantial evidence and of course>>>what feels good, right, etc. No it is not totally given. Isn't that what spirituality is about, exploring the mysterious and unknown to see what can be known (in a gnostic sense)? |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 0:52:05 GMT -5
Because when it comes to such ethereal subject matter, it's totally a given that no one can know, but peeps often accept circumstantial evidence and of course>>>what feels good, right, etc. It is not a given. You just speculate that. We're talking about the realm of things that require faith. If you've seen the movie, Contact, remember both the scenes where they questioned her about whether she believed in God and they decided against her going the first time because of her 'lack of faith' and then when she 'got back' when she went the second time, she kept trying to tell them that she experienced these miraculous things - she'd done a total 180 - and it will always be that way - unless Jesus (or his sis) shows up some day - and even then - all our beliefs and related notions require faith - and it remains unprovable. We can be deceived - even if that deception is innocuous. Nobody can prove anything of this nature. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 1:04:38 GMT -5
It is not a given. You just speculate that. We're talking about the realm of things that require faith. If you've seen the movie, Contact, remember both the scenes where they questioned her about whether she believed in God and they decided against her going the first time because of her 'lack of faith' and then when she 'got back' when she went the second time, she kept trying to tell them that she experienced these miraculous things - she'd done a total 180 - and it will always be that way - unless Jesus (or his sis) shows up some day - and even then - all our beliefs and related notions require faith - and it remains unprovable. We can be deceived - even if that deception is innocuous. Nobody can prove anything of this nature. Do you exist? Have you ever experienced anything apart from yourself? |
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Post by silver on Mar 26, 2013 1:07:33 GMT -5
We're talking about the realm of things that require faith. If you've seen the movie, Contact, remember both the scenes where they questioned her about whether she believed in God and they decided against her going the first time because of her 'lack of faith' and then when she 'got back' when she went the second time, she kept trying to tell them that she experienced these miraculous things - she'd done a total 180 - and it will always be that way - unless Jesus (or his sis) shows up some day - and even then - all our beliefs and related notions require faith - and it remains unprovable. We can be deceived - even if that deception is innocuous. Nobody can prove anything of this nature. Do you exist? Have you ever experienced anything apart from yourself? I don't know why you ask these kinds of questions, they seem too simple. Yes, I exist. Yes, I've experienced stuff apart from myself. |
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Post by topology on Mar 26, 2013 1:08:42 GMT -5
Do you exist? Have you ever experienced anything apart from yourself? I don't know why you ask these kinds of questions, they seem too simple. Yes, I exist. Yes, I've experienced stuff apart from myself. The simple questions are the most profound. How did you experience something apart from your self? What was it, in what way was it separate from you? |
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