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Post by esponja on Feb 12, 2013 9:26:19 GMT -5
Ok. I'm not here to get involved in any disagreements, it's a huge distraction. I ressonated a while back with Silence, E, ZD, B, Top and particularly Reefs. Coming from an LoA and Catholic, let's call it 'background', it wasn't a message I was expecting. To be honest sometimes I wish I hadn't gone down this path as I feel stuck. (That's by the by...'who's stuck anyway right?') I then, almost exactly one year ago, attended a Satsang here in WA (I barely knew what that was) and I'm now hooked on the non-dual message, which I believe is the same as the message from those I mentioned above. I have no interest in who teaches and who doesn't. I feel I have 'something' to get (mainly a loss of self) and post questions. Whoever answers, answers. Normally, or lately at least, it's been the same posters answering. That's all. I feel no need to challenge anybody here and I don't think I ever have. More and more I am trying to find My Own Truth. My wish would be to come here and read ligitimate threads, that don't include pages of 'he said, she said' but guess that's not going to happen anytime soon. As you were! Well. I see 3 options for me right now. Ignore your message. Try and argue what I was arguing whenever it was...yesterday or the day before. Or ask you about your situation. I will go with number 3. I see the experience of stuckness as a result of either 2 things. 1) Working to achieve a clearly defined goal and repeating the same approaches over and over again that are being experienced as not working. Or 2) Not having a clearly defined goal (so the stuckness is more of a flounder - kind of like a ship without a rudder). So is your goal to find Your Own Truth? Nah I'm not answering, you're not a Teacher enough!! Lol just kidding. It's 1). And yes I'd say that is my goal right now. Also to lead an enjoyable life. I am doing now. I was desperately trying to attract things (people/places) into my life and I have. I can move on to trying to attract more and more and better and better but whilst that's interesting and cool, I no longer see the need to do it for happiness. My focus now is to be happy no matter what the exterior situation. I would still like to know what 'this' is about? It seems out of my control though. Anyway, late now so may log on tomorrow again, if I have time and patience to trawl through posts I will but my interest here is waning. Night night. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 10:05:00 GMT -5
What did I say? What did you read? You said 'Quinn didn't play along as expected'. I'm saying that when I wrote that message, I really didn't expect Quinn or Spongey to say 'Yeah!'. I said YOU and Figgy would say 'yeah' if they would have played along. No word about the reactions of Spongy or Quinn. And besides, it was all clearly marked as sarcasm.  Andrew, where's your lightheartedness? For someone as enlightened as you, you are surprisingly deadly serious. Write something funny from time to time. Forget about your teacher role and your mission here for a while. Make us laugh for a change! Can you do that? The entire forum would benefit from that. Post something truly funny. I've never seen you doing that. Show us your philosophy in action. There's nothing spontaneous about your appearance here. You sound like someone who is stuck with a deadly serious philosophy, your replies are robot-like, almost 100% predictable, your beliefs have cut you off from humor, you seem to constantly drag some dark and heavy clouds around. Give us something to laugh. This forum needs your help! |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 10:24:04 GMT -5
You said 'Quinn didn't play along as expected'. I'm saying that when I wrote that message, I really didn't expect Quinn or Spongey to say 'Yeah!'. I said YOU and Figgy would say 'yeah' if they would have played along. No word about the reactions of Spongy or Quinn. And besides, it was all clearly marked as sarcasm. Andrew, where's your lightheartedness? For someone as enlightened as you, you are surprisingly deadly serious. Write something funny from time to time. Forget about your teacher role and your mission here for a while. Make us laugh for a change! Can you do that? The entire forum would benefit from that. Post something truly funny. I've never seen you doing that. Show us your philosophy in action. There's nothing spontaneous about your appearance here. You sound like someone who is stuck with a deadly serious philosophy, your replies are robot-like, almost 100% predictable, your beliefs have cut you off from humor, you seem to constantly drag some dark and heavy clouds around. Give us something to laugh. This forum needs your help! You said ''Quinn didn't play along as expected''. I didn't see myself saying 'yeah' because I didn't expect Quinn or Spongy to be exactly thrilled about what I was saying. You seem to be just making things up there, and I think you know that, so you have moved onto some more muck raking. There are occasions when I experience genuine light heartedness on the forum, and there are people here that consistently make me chuckle, but I don't find you funny, I find you condescending, mocking and bullying. I really can't see that we have anything worth saying to each other but for as long as you keep engaging me (directly or otherwise), I will probably respond to at least some of it. At the moment, this just isn't the kind of environment in which I would share much humour, facebook is a better online alternative for that. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 10:35:40 GMT -5
I said YOU and Figgy would say 'yeah' if they would have played along. No word about the reactions of Spongy or Quinn. And besides, it was all clearly marked as sarcasm. Andrew, where's your lightheartedness? For someone as enlightened as you, you are surprisingly deadly serious. Write something funny from time to time. Forget about your teacher role and your mission here for a while. Make us laugh for a change! Can you do that? The entire forum would benefit from that. Post something truly funny. I've never seen you doing that. Show us your philosophy in action. There's nothing spontaneous about your appearance here. You sound like someone who is stuck with a deadly serious philosophy, your replies are robot-like, almost 100% predictable, your beliefs have cut you off from humor, you seem to constantly drag some dark and heavy clouds around. Give us something to laugh. This forum needs your help! You said ''Quinn didn't play along as expected''. I didn't see myself saying 'yeah' because I didn't expect Quinn or Spongy to be exactly thrilled about what I was saying. You seem to be just making things up there, and I think you know that, so you have moved onto some more muck raking. There are occasions when I experience genuine light heartedness on the forum, and there are people here that consistently make me chuckle, but I don't find you funny, I find you condescending, mocking and bullying. I really can't see that we have anything worth saying to each other but for as long as you keep engaging me (directly or otherwise), I will probably respond to at least some of it. At the moment, this just isn't the kind of environment in which I would share much humour, facebook is a better online alternative for that. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You take the deadly serious interpretation again and use the opportunity for accusations. Only others make you chuckle from time to time, then you post a 'hehe' here or a 'lol' there. And that's about it. It's mere reacting. You don't make others chuckle. You are never the source of fun here. Even Silver is more fun than you. Figgy can also be very funny. Both Figgy and Silver have been the source of fun on the forum. But I've never seen you joking around. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 10:54:28 GMT -5
You said ''Quinn didn't play along as expected''. I didn't see myself saying 'yeah' because I didn't expect Quinn or Spongy to be exactly thrilled about what I was saying. You seem to be just making things up there, and I think you know that, so you have moved onto some more muck raking. There are occasions when I experience genuine light heartedness on the forum, and there are people here that consistently make me chuckle, but I don't find you funny, I find you condescending, mocking and bullying. I really can't see that we have anything worth saying to each other but for as long as you keep engaging me (directly or otherwise), I will probably respond to at least some of it. At the moment, this just isn't the kind of environment in which I would share much humour, facebook is a better online alternative for that. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You take the deadly serious interpretation again and use the opportunity for accusations. Only others make you chuckle from time to time, then you post a 'hehe' here or a 'lol' there. And that's about it. It's mere reacting. You don't make others chuckle. You are never the source of fun here. Even Silver is more fun than you. Figgy can also be very funny. Both Figgy and Silver have been the source of fun on the forum. But I've never seen you joking around. I'm not arguing that I share much humour here, and that's largely because this is a environment in which there is bullying happening. In order for me to be willing to share humour there has to be a recognizable sense between the members of the group that there is equality. That doesn't exist in this group, because what we have here is a small bunch of people which basically sees themselves as beyond reproach. The other thing I strongly sense on this forum is the extent to which the male ego seeks to repress and control the kind of spirituality that is more aligned to the feminine energies, and the male ego does this through imposing a particular brand of spirituality on the group. On other forums I have been on, the masculine ego and feminine ego have been much more balanced, so even though there is ego, at least there is some balance within the ego battles! |
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Post by silver on Feb 12, 2013 10:59:54 GMT -5
You said ''Quinn didn't play along as expected''. I didn't see myself saying 'yeah' because I didn't expect Quinn or Spongy to be exactly thrilled about what I was saying. You seem to be just making things up there, and I think you know that, so you have moved onto some more muck raking. There are occasions when I experience genuine light heartedness on the forum, and there are people here that consistently make me chuckle, but I don't find you funny, I find you condescending, mocking and bullying. I really can't see that we have anything worth saying to each other but for as long as you keep engaging me (directly or otherwise), I will probably respond to at least some of it. At the moment, this just isn't the kind of environment in which I would share much humour, facebook is a better online alternative for that. That's exactly what I'm talking about. You take the deadly serious interpretation again and use the opportunity for accusations. Only others make you chuckle from time to time, then you post a 'hehe' here or a 'lol' there. And that's about it. It's mere reacting. You don't make others chuckle. You are never the source of fun here. Even Silver is more fun than you. Figgy can also be very funny. Both Figgy and Silver have been the source of fun on the forum. But I've never seen you joking around. Woah, hi praise! *bows* Ty Reefs. |
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Post by silver on Feb 12, 2013 11:04:34 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm talking about. You take the deadly serious interpretation again and use the opportunity for accusations. Only others make you chuckle from time to time, then you post a 'hehe' here or a 'lol' there. And that's about it. It's mere reacting. You don't make others chuckle. You are never the source of fun here. Even Silver is more fun than you. Figgy can also be very funny. Both Figgy and Silver have been the source of fun on the forum. But I've never seen you joking around. I'm not arguing that I share much humour here, and that's largely because this is a environment in which there is bullying happening. In order for me to be willing to share humour there has to be a recognizable sense between the members of the group that there is equality. That doesn't exist in this group, because what we have here is a small bunch of people which basically sees themselves as beyond reproach. The other thing I strongly sense on this forum is the extent to which the male ego seeks to repress and control the kind of spirituality that is more aligned to the feminine energies, and the male ego does this through imposing a particular brand of spirituality on the group. On other forums I have been on, the masculine ego and feminine ego have been much more balanced, so even though there is ego, at least there is some balance within the ego battles! Maybe I'm just on the wrong forum, but the movement to join another one is just not there. I can say with certainty that this will be my last forum. I think it's cool, Andy, that you're one of the persons sitting in the audience. I mean, the performers have to have an audience, don't they? Yeah. These situations you mention - we can get so bogged down in the thick of things - it's always the same kind of things that kind of kill any truly innocent lightheartedness. I understand where you're coming from. Now, I'm getting too serious! ;D |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 11:37:57 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm talking about. You take the deadly serious interpretation again and use the opportunity for accusations. Only others make you chuckle from time to time, then you post a 'hehe' here or a 'lol' there. And that's about it. It's mere reacting. You don't make others chuckle. You are never the source of fun here. Even Silver is more fun than you. Figgy can also be very funny. Both Figgy and Silver have been the source of fun on the forum. But I've never seen you joking around. Woah, hi praise! *bows* Ty Reefs. I remember you making a lot of funny remarks, especially playing with words and spelling before the bad poetry thread went bad. After that happened the forum seemed somehow divided into two distinctive groups. But I don't think that's what you wanted. That's just the way it played out given all the other players involved. I think you are genuinely trying to get hold of the brighter side of life. But given the structure of this forum, the players involved and your background it's not that easy. I was thinking about Figgy asking Enigma several times if he read your poetry. Well, I thought I should take a look at it. So I read the first 10 pages and the last 10 pages of the bad poetry thread to see if there is any difference. And the main theme still seems to be "something went horribly wrong". However, I get the feeling that you are kinda fed up with that interpretation now and really want to go about it in a different way. And fun and humor seems to be an easy route for you to slow down the negative momentum. Many times I saw it flowing naturally thru you as soon as you were distracted enough. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 11:43:46 GMT -5
That's exactly what I'm talking about. You take the deadly serious interpretation again and use the opportunity for accusations. Only others make you chuckle from time to time, then you post a 'hehe' here or a 'lol' there. And that's about it. It's mere reacting. You don't make others chuckle. You are never the source of fun here. Even Silver is more fun than you. Figgy can also be very funny. Both Figgy and Silver have been the source of fun on the forum. But I've never seen you joking around. I'm not arguing that I share much humour here, and that's largely because this is a environment in which there is bullying happening. In order for me to be willing to share humour there has to be a recognizable sense between the members of the group that there is equality. That doesn't exist in this group, because what we have here is a small bunch of people which basically sees themselves as beyond reproach. The other thing I strongly sense on this forum is the extent to which the male ego seeks to repress and control the kind of spirituality that is more aligned to the feminine energies, and the male ego does this through imposing a particular brand of spirituality on the group. On other forums I have been on, the masculine ego and feminine ego have been much more balanced, so even though there is ego, at least there is some balance within the ego battles! Well, I agree, things look a little extreme here these days. But even a year ago or so, I've never really seen you on the bright side. I think you also posted much less. Blaming it on the wrong mix of masculine and feminine energies is taking it a bit too far. It really takes only one or two participants to lighten up a bit more and the entire forum will change for the better. It doesn't matter if that is the feminine part or the masculine part that does the first step. |
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Post by silver on Feb 12, 2013 11:45:18 GMT -5
Woah, hi praise! *bows* Ty Reefs. I remember you making a lot of funny remarks, especially playing with words and spelling before the bad poetry thread went bad. After that happened the forum seemed somehow divided into two distinctive groups. But I don't think that's what you wanted. That's just the way it played out given all the other players involved. I think you are genuinely trying to get hold of the brighter side of life. But given the structure of this forum, the players involved and your background it's not that easy. I was thinking about Figgy asking Enigma several times if he read your poetry. Well, I thought I should take a look at it. So I read the first 10 pages and the last 10 pages of the bad poetry thread to see if there is any difference. And the main theme still seems to be "something went horribly wrong". However, I get the feeling that you are kinda fed up with that interpretation now and really want to go about it in a different way. And fun and humor seems to be an easy route for you to slow down the negative momentum. Many times I saw it flowing naturally thru you as soon as you were distracted enough. Gosh, I don't know how to watch myself that closely - I'd probably be better off if I could.. I can just picture being on a bad road just full of potholes of varying sizes - My Life! I didn't create them, they've just been there. And I don't get the sense that I took a wrong turn - this is definitely 'my' life path - I didn't 'choose' poorly - this cr*p was meant to be my hand that was dealt - hence, the dark sense of humor - but I like all kinds. So many it seems at the other forum I came from were all into that we pick our parents, our lives, and all that sort of stuff, which I find almost impossible to buy. Those notions are very weird. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 11:57:02 GMT -5
I remember you making a lot of funny remarks, especially playing with words and spelling before the bad poetry thread went bad. After that happened the forum seemed somehow divided into two distinctive groups. But I don't think that's what you wanted. That's just the way it played out given all the other players involved. I think you are genuinely trying to get hold of the brighter side of life. But given the structure of this forum, the players involved and your background it's not that easy. I was thinking about Figgy asking Enigma several times if he read your poetry. Well, I thought I should take a look at it. So I read the first 10 pages and the last 10 pages of the bad poetry thread to see if there is any difference. And the main theme still seems to be "something went horribly wrong". However, I get the feeling that you are kinda fed up with that interpretation now and really want to go about it in a different way. And fun and humor seems to be an easy route for you to slow down the negative momentum. Many times I saw it flowing naturally thru you as soon as you were distracted enough. Gosh, I don't know how to watch myself that closely - I'd probably be better off if I could.. I can just picture being on a bad road just full of potholes of varying sizes - My Life! I didn't create them, they've just been there. And I don't get the sense that I took a wrong turn - this is definitely 'my' life path - I didn't 'choose' poorly - this cr*p was meant to be my hand that was dealt - hence, the dark sense of humor - but I like all kinds. So many it seems at the other forum I came from were all into that we pick our parents, our lives, and all that sort of stuff, which I find almost impossible to buy. Those notions are very weird. Sure it sounds weird. But I don't think that anyone can deny a correlation between their attention/ focus and the thoughts they usually think and what's manifesting around them. So, maybe watch what kind of thoughts you are thinking when you are in a bad mood and what kind of thoughts you are thinking when you are in a good mood. And then look where your focus went when you were in a good mood or in a bad mood and look if there is a correlation. This forum probably isn't the right place for that kind of 'beginner's stuff'. Most who are involved here have very strong focus. And if someone with strong focus is focusing on someone with a rather weak ability to focus that can feel intimidating to the weak focuser and can throw the weak focuser off balance very quickly. And I guess that's what happened with you here. It probably feels overwhelming at times. |
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Post by silver on Feb 12, 2013 12:06:48 GMT -5
Gosh, I don't know how to watch myself that closely - I'd probably be better off if I could.. I can just picture being on a bad road just full of potholes of varying sizes - My Life! I didn't create them, they've just been there. And I don't get the sense that I took a wrong turn - this is definitely 'my' life path - I didn't 'choose' poorly - this cr*p was meant to be my hand that was dealt - hence, the dark sense of humor - but I like all kinds. So many it seems at the other forum I came from were all into that we pick our parents, our lives, and all that sort of stuff, which I find almost impossible to buy. Those notions are very weird. Sure it sounds weird. But I don't think that anyone can deny a correlation between their attention/ focus and the thoughts they usually think and what's manifesting around them. So, maybe watch what kind of thoughts you are thinking when you are in a bad mood and what kind of thoughts you are thinking when you are in a good mood. And then look where your focus went when you were in a good mood or in a bad mood and look if there is a correlation. This forum probably isn't the right place for that kind of 'beginner's stuff'. Most who are involved here have very strong focus. And if someone with strong focus is focusing on someone with a rather weak ability to focus that can feel intimidating to the weak focuser and can throw the weak focuser off balance very quickly. And I guess that's what happened with you here. It probably feels overwhelming at times. 1st paragraph - some good notions there.. 2nd paragraph - I was just thinking this morning that if a person wants to try on any new-fangled belief or philosophy etc., they have to know where the neck and arm holes are, .....It may or may not fit *shrug* The way I figure, there's something in each belief, church, techniques, for everyone - we have to borrow what truly makes sense for the individual - hah, until such time as that person may start believing (?!) that there is no individual. Oh boy. I never wanted to be a pain in the rear - I guess I couldn't resist getting in the middle of things too many places and/or too often!  |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 12:10:39 GMT -5
Sure it sounds weird. But I don't think that anyone can deny a correlation between their attention/ focus and the thoughts they usually think and what's manifesting around them. So, maybe watch what kind of thoughts you are thinking when you are in a bad mood and what kind of thoughts you are thinking when you are in a good mood. And then look where your focus went when you were in a good mood or in a bad mood and look if there is a correlation. This forum probably isn't the right place for that kind of 'beginner's stuff'. Most who are involved here have very strong focus. And if someone with strong focus is focusing on someone with a rather weak ability to focus that can feel intimidating to the weak focuser and can throw the weak focuser off balance very quickly. And I guess that's what happened with you here. It probably feels overwhelming at times. 1st paragraph - some good notions there.. 2nd paragraph - I was just thinking this morning that if a person wants to try on any new-fangled belief or philosophy etc., they have to know where the neck and arm holes are, .....It may or may not fit *shrug* The way I figure, there's something in each belief, church, techniques, for everyone - we have to borrow what truly makes sense for the individual - hah, until such time as that person may start believing (?!) that there is no individual. Oh boy. I never wanted to be a pain in the rear - I guess I couldn't resist getting in the middle of things too many places and/or too often! Yup, lots of ridiculous stuff happening here. ;D |
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Post by enigma on Feb 12, 2013 13:23:01 GMT -5
It shows your stuckness and attachment. And since you claim being free of that, it also shows your level of self-deception and delusion. Which is a projection (and not necessarily incorrect). How do you know it's a projection? Or are you saying all comments are projections? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 12, 2013 13:31:35 GMT -5
Ok found it. There's a reason I don't post here too much these days.... Not that it probably makes a lot of difference, but Enigma brought you both into the argument before that. Given the possibility that I was putting forward, I didn't consider it appropriate to ignore that. Well, I didn't cause you to fantasize. |
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