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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 0:17:40 GMT -5
What do you know about Marie, really? Did you go with them to the park and scribbled your freudian notes? You, are a hypocrite.  You, are obsessed. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 3:12:16 GMT -5
You figure everyone has old hurts that they carry around with them? You think this is inevitable? That's a good example of conceptual 'clarity' again. Conceptual 'clarity' is based on personal experiences and the conclusions drawn from those experiences. As Andrew told us, he spent years in depression and therapy himself so to him it's more likely to conclude that others drag a lot of dysfunctional stuff around as well. than concluding that others just don't have that kind of stuff to drag around. His personal history makes him also more prone to commiserating with other broken ones. I didn't spend 'years' in therapy. About 9 months. Neither did I spend 'years' in depression. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 3:16:27 GMT -5
If I've got something wrong, I'm open to an explanation that says something different. I full out admit, in attempting to determine where others here are coming from, there's always a certain amount of surmising and therefore a certain lack of certainty. I have no problem admitting, I may be wrong in I disagreeessments. ....even when it comes to my perceptions of you E. Then there's ALWAYS only conceptual 'clarity' which basically means that there is ALWAYS some kind of confusion in your comments. Why do you distinguish between conceptual clarity and non-conceptual clarity if you are not open to the idea that people can be pointed to non-conceptual clarity? What is the purpose of any of your comments if you have no intention of offering something useful, of facilitating, of serving? |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 3:18:45 GMT -5
I don't. Of course there are differences, but I am talking about a quite particular dynamic. It seems like there might be some kind of rescuing/caretaking role playing itself out. "it seems", "there might be", "some kind of" <----- hyper-minding "rescuing/caretaking" <----- projecting your own personal background Just because projection happens, doesn't make the projection incorrect. I can observe that you are consistently aggressive, heavy going and malcontent, which is a projection, but that doesn't make it wrong. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 3:56:24 GMT -5
"it seems", "there might be", "some kind of" <----- hyper-minding "rescuing/caretaking" <----- projecting your own personal background Just because projection happens, doesn't make the projection incorrect. I can observe that you are consistently aggressive, heavy going and malcontent, which is a projection, but that doesn't make it wrong. It shows your stuckness and attachment. And since you claim being free of that, it also shows your level of self-deception and delusion. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 3:59:47 GMT -5
Just because projection happens, doesn't make the projection incorrect. I can observe that you are consistently aggressive, heavy going and malcontent, which is a projection, but that doesn't make it wrong. It shows your stuckness and attachment. And since you claim being free of that, it also shows your level of self-deception and delusion. Which is a projection (and not necessarily incorrect). |
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Post by esponja on Feb 12, 2013 8:30:49 GMT -5
Ok p61. I normally come here and check the last 10 posts and on occasion I'll look through particular poster's posts to see if anything 'enlightening' has been said. Tonight I chose Quinn. Then see my name mentioned by Andrew$&@"&
So recap anyone? Looked through 5 pages and couldn't figure it out! What have I missed and why am I being talked about?
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Post by esponja on Feb 12, 2013 8:35:54 GMT -5
How I relate to Marie, at least in terms of talking about spearichuul ideas, is similar to how I talk to Quinn or Spongy, which is to say how I relate to those with sincerity and maturity. How I relate to Silver and Arisha is different because they are different, and make relating in any sane way impossible. Spongey certainly, but Quinn also to some extent, are happy to see you as having 'got it' and that they haven't quite 'got it'. So I can well believe that you relate to them the same as you do to Marie i.e. with you in the teacher role. Whereas Arisha and Silver don't look to you in that same way, they challenge you. It sounds like you see women with maturity and sincerity as those that are happy to put you in the teacher role. Silver might represent that aspect of Marie that isn't quite as committed or as focused as you on 'what's true'. Ok found it. There's a reason I don't post here too much these days.... |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 8:39:01 GMT -5
Ok p61. I normally come here and check the last 10 posts and on occasion I'll look through particular poster's posts to see if anything 'enlightening' has been said. Tonight I chose Quinn. Then see my name mentioned by Andrew$&@"& So recap anyone? Looked through 5 pages and couldn't figure it out! What have I missed and why am I being talked about? <sarcasm> Andrew wanted to use you and Quinn to prove his theory about Enigma. Figgy also. But Quinn didn't play along as expected. If you will finally confess that you worship and revere Enigma and put him on a pedestal then Figgy and Andrew would be very happy to hear about it because that would finally prove their theory (at least part of it). </sarcasm> |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 8:46:45 GMT -5
Spongey certainly, but Quinn also to some extent, are happy to see you as having 'got it' and that they haven't quite 'got it'. So I can well believe that you relate to them the same as you do to Marie i.e. with you in the teacher role. Whereas Arisha and Silver don't look to you in that same way, they challenge you. It sounds like you see women with maturity and sincerity as those that are happy to put you in the teacher role. Silver might represent that aspect of Marie that isn't quite as committed or as focused as you on 'what's true'. Ok found it. There's a reason I don't post here too much these days.... Not that it probably makes a lot of difference, but Enigma brought you both into the argument before that. Given the possibility that I was putting forward, I didn't consider it appropriate to ignore that. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 8:55:21 GMT -5
Ok p61. I normally come here and check the last 10 posts and on occasion I'll look through particular poster's posts to see if anything 'enlightening' has been said. Tonight I chose Quinn. Then see my name mentioned by Andrew$&@"& So recap anyone? Looked through 5 pages and couldn't figure it out! What have I missed and why am I being talked about? <sarcasm> Andrew wanted to use you and Quinn to prove his theory about Enigma. Figgy also. But Quinn didn't play along as expected. If you will finally confess that you worship and revere Enigma and put him on a pedestal then Figgy and Andrew would be very happy to hear about it because that would finally prove their theory (at least part of it). </sarcasm> Eh? Do you REALLY think that I thought they would be overjoyed to go along with what I said? Don't be silly. My feeling at the time was that it wouldn't exactly be well received. |
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Post by esponja on Feb 12, 2013 9:01:08 GMT -5
Ok found it. There's a reason I don't post here too much these days.... Not that it probably makes a lot of difference, but Enigma brought you both into the argument before that. Given the possibility that I was putting forward, I didn't consider it appropriate to ignore that. Ok. I'm not here to get involved in any disagreements, it's a huge distraction. I ressonated a while back with Silence, E, ZD, B, Top and particularly Reefs. Coming from an LoA and Catholic, let's call it 'background', it wasn't a message I was expecting. To be honest sometimes I wish I hadn't gone down this path as I feel stuck. (That's by the by...'who's stuck anyway right?') I then, almost exactly one year ago, attended a Satsang here in WA (I barely knew what that was) and I'm now hooked on the non-dual message, which I believe is the same as the message from those I mentioned above. I have no interest in who teaches and who doesn't. I feel I have 'something' to get (mainly a loss of self) and post questions. Whoever answers, answers. Normally, or lately at least, it's been the same posters answering. That's all. I feel no need to challenge anybody here and I don't think I ever have. More and more I am trying to find My Own Truth. My wish would be to come here and read ligitimate threads, that don't include pages of 'he said, she said' but guess that's not going to happen anytime soon. As you were! |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 12, 2013 9:01:19 GMT -5
<sarcasm> Andrew wanted to use you and Quinn to prove his theory about Enigma. Figgy also. But Quinn didn't play along as expected. If you will finally confess that you worship and revere Enigma and put him on a pedestal then Figgy and Andrew would be very happy to hear about it because that would finally prove their theory (at least part of it). </sarcasm> Eh? Do you REALLY think that I thought they would be overjoyed to go along with what I said? Don't be silly. My feeling at the time was that it wouldn't exactly be well received. What did I say? What did you read? |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 9:11:25 GMT -5
Not that it probably makes a lot of difference, but Enigma brought you both into the argument before that. Given the possibility that I was putting forward, I didn't consider it appropriate to ignore that. Ok. I'm not here to get involved in any disagreements, it's a huge distraction. I ressonated a while back with Silence, E, ZD, B, Top and particularly Reefs. Coming from an LoA and Catholic, let's call it 'background', it wasn't a message I was expecting. To be honest sometimes I wish I hadn't gone down this path as I feel stuck. (That's by the by...'who's stuck anyway right?') I then, almost exactly one year ago, attended a Satsang here in WA (I barely knew what that was) and I'm now hooked on the non-dual message, which I believe is the same as the message from those I mentioned above. I have no interest in who teaches and who doesn't. I feel I have 'something' to get (mainly a loss of self) and post questions. Whoever answers, answers. Normally, or lately at least, it's been the same posters answering. That's all. I feel no need to challenge anybody here and I don't think I ever have. More and more I am trying to find My Own Truth. My wish would be to come here and read ligitimate threads, that don't include pages of 'he said, she said' but guess that's not going to happen anytime soon. As you were! Well. I see 3 options for me right now. Ignore your message. Try and argue what I was arguing whenever it was...yesterday or the day before. Or ask you about your situation. I will go with number 3. I see the experience of stuckness as a result of either 2 things. 1) Working to achieve a clearly defined goal and repeating the same approaches over and over again that are being experienced as not working. Or 2) Not having a clearly defined goal (so the stuckness is more of a flounder - kind of like a ship without a rudder). So is your goal to find Your Own Truth? |
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Post by andrew on Feb 12, 2013 9:12:53 GMT -5
Eh? Do you REALLY think that I thought they would be overjoyed to go along with what I said? Don't be silly. My feeling at the time was that it wouldn't exactly be well received. What did I say? What did you read? You said 'Quinn didn't play along as expected'. I'm saying that when I wrote that message, I really didn't expect Quinn or Spongey to say 'Yeah!'. |
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