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Post by arisha on Jan 21, 2013 17:50:52 GMT -5
To substitute what enlightenment is with idle talking about it is as useless as the picture of the bread for a starving person.
Mind states aren't enlightenment, sure, but they help people come closer to the enlightenment, and the work people do in order to have mind states helps them get enlightened.
Mind states change the energy pattern of a person forever, and the person has it for the rest of their life with all corresponding consequences that follow.
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Post by tzujanli on Jan 21, 2013 18:10:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. To substitute what enlightenment is with idle talking about it is as useless as the picture of the bread for a starving person. Mind states aren't enlightenment, sure, but they help people come closer to the enlightenment, and the work people do in order to have mind states helps them get enlightened. Mind states change the energy pattern of a person forever, and the person has it for the rest of their life with all corresponding consequences that follow. What is enlightenment? Be well.. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 21, 2013 18:28:24 GMT -5
Greetings.. To substitute what enlightenment is with idle talking about it is as useless as the picture of the bread for a starving person. Mind states aren't enlightenment, sure, but they help people come closer to the enlightenment, and the work people do in order to have mind states helps them get enlightened. Mind states change the energy pattern of a person forever, and the person has it for the rest of their life with all corresponding consequences that follow. What is enlightenment? Be well.. As Wikipedia says Enlightenment is awakening, "seeing into one's true nature". "Highest perfect awakening" - this is about full enlightenment, attributed to Buddhas. So, it really has gradations. On the first levels it's the ability to understand the mutual interconnections of things, both with mind and heart. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 21, 2013 23:23:17 GMT -5
Mind states help understand that mutual interconnection of things both with mind and heart, and not only that.
Why do some people have other outcomes after mind states, and some - don't?
There are Guards who allow/don't allow them to have anything else.
There are different ways of having other Channels.
There are different methods of learning how to have them.
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Post by mamza on Jan 22, 2013 3:15:29 GMT -5
I don't really follow what you're saying here other than you like mind states. If that's what you're saying and all you mean to say, sweet deal. I liked them too. Sometimes I still do. And that worked out wonderfully, just like whatever's happening for you is working wonderfully.
If enlightenment and mind states are what you're into, it's a good thing you're into them. 'Cause otherwise you'd be one unhappy customer!
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Post by arisha on Jan 22, 2013 3:34:06 GMT -5
I think you don't follow what I am saying here other than I like mind states is due to different preferences of yours. It's good that whatever happening is wonderful for you, and that you like mind states.
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Post by mamza on Jan 22, 2013 3:41:27 GMT -5
Say what? You're just repeating me.
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Post by arisha on Jan 22, 2013 3:48:13 GMT -5
Yes, I am just repeating you, you are right.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 18:26:39 GMT -5
As Wikipedia says Enlightenment is awakening, "seeing into one's true nature". "Highest perfect awakening" - this is about full enlightenment, attributed to Buddhas.
I have no experiential knowledge of "true nature" or "highest perfect awakening",
so i have no way of verifying if i have actually reached those states or not.
Let alone those terms are constructs of an individual who has either had an experience and labeled them "true nature" or "highest perfect awakening",
or someone else had come along and labeled them for the experiencer.
In other words, "Enlightenment is awakening, "seeing into one's true nature". "Highest perfect awakening", is just another mindstate.
As for me and my family, we are done with religions of any form.
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Post by zendancer on Jan 22, 2013 18:54:03 GMT -5
I like to make a distinction between "kensho," which is an experience of seeing into one's true nature," and "satori," which is realizing the illusory nature of the one who was thought to be seeking enlightenment. Satori ends the spiritual search because the imaginary seeker is suddenly seen to be imaginary. This realization happens instantly. Afterwards, the sense of being a someone "in here" looking out from behind a set of eyes at an external world "out there" is replaced by a generalized field of awareness whose origin is neither spatially nor specifically locatable.
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Post by topology on Jan 22, 2013 18:56:45 GMT -5
As Wikipedia says Enlightenment is awakening, "seeing into one's true nature". "Highest perfect awakening" - this is about full enlightenment, attributed to Buddhas.
I have no experiential knowledge of "true nature" or "highest perfect awakening",
so i have no way of verifying if i have actually reached those states or not.
Let alone those terms are constructs of an individual who has either had an experience and labeled them "true nature" or "highest perfect awakening",
or someone else had come along and labeled them for the experiencer.
In other words, "Enlightenment is awakening, "seeing into one's true nature". "Highest perfect awakening", is just another mindstate.
As for me and my family, we are done with religions of any form.
Makes sense. One can only imagine what they have not experienced. If enlightenment is a particular experience or a particular state of any kind then it is ultimately temporary. I too am done seeking idealized states of perfection. |
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Post by topology on Jan 22, 2013 18:57:47 GMT -5
I like to make a distinction between "kensho," which is an experience of seeing into one's true nature," and "satori," which is realizing the illusory nature of the one who was thought to be seeking enlightenment. Satori ends the spiritual search because the imaginary seeker is suddenly seen to be imaginary. This realization happens instantly. Afterwards, the sense of being a someone "in here" looking out from behind a set of eyes at an external world "out there" is replaced by a generalized field of awareness whose origin is neither spatially nor specifically locatable. Huzzah! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2013 19:16:54 GMT -5
And this is why i don't allocate any time or energy towards obtaining Enlightenment.
I have no experiential knowledge of "true nature" or "highest perfect awakening",
so i have no way of verifying if i have actually reached those states or not.
Let alone those terms are constructs of an individual who has either had an experience and labeled them "true nature" or "highest perfect awakening",
or someone else had come along and labeled them for the experiencer.
In other words, "Enlightenment is awakening, "seeing into one's true nature". "Highest perfect awakening", is just another mindstate.
As for me and my family, we are done with religions of any form.
Makes sense. One can only imagine what they have not experienced. If enlightenment is a particular experience or a particular state of any kind then it is ultimately temporary. I too am done seeking idealized states of perfection.
The latter is commonly termed, memories.
I have two views of perfection:
1) I am a perfect M-G.
2) Perfection is like a bunch of judges sitting outside the entrance to WalMart, giving various scores to people as they walk through the doors,
and they gave a 10(perfect) to one of them, yet all the entrants perfectly went through the door regardless of what the judges think.
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Post by topology on Jan 22, 2013 19:36:22 GMT -5
Makes sense. One can only imagine what they have not experienced. If enlightenment is a particular experience or a particular state of any kind then it is ultimately temporary. I too am done seeking idealized states of perfection.
The latter is commonly termed, memories.*swoon* I have two views of perfection: 1) I am a perfect M-G. 2) Perfection is like a bunch of judges sitting outside the entrance to WalMart, giving various scores to people as they walk through the doors, and they gave a 10(perfect) to one of them, yet all the entrants perfectly went through the door regardless of what the judges think. [/font][/quote] And that's why I don't really use the term, it conveys no meaning unless it is being used to confront another person's categorization of something as imperfect. |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 22, 2013 20:21:35 GMT -5
This one can imagine both inexperienced and experienced things.
The latter is commonly termed, memories. *swoon* I have two views of perfection: 1) I am a perfect M-G. 2) Perfection is like a bunch of judges sitting outside the entrance to WalMart, giving various scores to people as they walk through the doors, and they gave a 10(perfect) to one of them, yet all the entrants perfectly went through the door regardless of what the judges think. [/font][/quote] And that's why I don't really use the term, it conveys no meaning unless it is being used to confront another person's categorization of something as imperfect. [/quote] 'Perfection' > L., perfectio, -onis = 'the state of being complete or completed'. |
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