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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 14:47:06 GMT -5
Quinn, spongy, Beingist, Top, Silence, Reefs and Marie have all challenged me. Perhaps a little, but mostly, they agree with you and in some cases even revere you. Revere me??  I spose it's out of the question that they mostly agree because they're conscious and sincere and seeing clearly. Authority?? If the focus is on challenging my supposed authority, there is no sincerity. Quinn tried to explain to you why that's a non-issue. Sincerity doesn't mean not pointing out illusions. Yes, I know you see yourself as doing the same thing, but that's because you lack sincerity. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 11, 2013 14:48:51 GMT -5
Well, it strikes me that as much as you love each other, there is an imbalance that on some level would seek to resolve itself. There are differences. The idea that differences make for an imbalance is your idea based on judgment and expectation. Don't assume my relationship looks like yours. I don't. Of course there are differences, but I am talking about a quite particular dynamic. It seems like there might be some kind of rescuing/caretaking role playing itself out. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 15:16:13 GMT -5
Revere me?? I spose it's out of the question that they mostly agree because they're conscious and sincere and seeing clearly.  Sure. The content of someone's post can have us questioning their said state of clarity. If we don't regard someone as actually seeing clearly, or of walking the talk they're talking, then couldn't it be said we have issue with their 'authority'? hehe...there you have it Quinn.  Basically E, you defend everything you do here, even if it very much resembles the same petty bickering and sniping you call out others for, as being 'pointing out illusions.' In doing so, You place yourself in a position that is beyond reproach. In my books, that's the epitome of a lack of 'sincerity.' |
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Post by quinn on Feb 11, 2013 16:58:15 GMT -5
Sincerity doesn't mean not pointing out illusions. Yes, I know you see yourself as doing the same thing, but that's because you lack sincerity. hehe...there you have it Quinn. ;D Good ole' irony. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 19:12:51 GMT -5
There are differences. The idea that differences make for an imbalance is your idea based on judgment and expectation. Don't assume my relationship looks like yours. I don't. Of course there are differences, but I am talking about a quite particular dynamic. It seems like there might be some kind of rescuing/caretaking role playing itself out. Again, don't assume my relationships look like yours. ;D |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 11, 2013 21:13:07 GMT -5
Hey, if you say that you don't think E has 'got something' that you haven't quite got, then fine. I will say that I chose my words so as to try and NOT convey hero-worshipping on your part, but maybe my wording failed. I would say that the basis of the forum contains a distinction, and I don't have a problem with going with that. Whether we call it enlightened/not enlightened, conceptual/non-conceptual, attached/non-attached, clear/not-clear. My purpose in this particular discussion has been to offer Top and E the possibility that to some extent, they might be bringing their hurts into their conversations with Silver. There has been a lot of focus on Silver bringing her hurts into conversation, but I don't think it is as one-sided as portrayed. I haven't been trying to prove anything more than that in this thread. Its an invitation to all participants (including me) to acknowledge that in a way, we are all on the same side. That although there is a relevant distinction to be made, its NOT an 'us and them' situation. You figure everyone has old hurts that they carry around with them? You think this is inevitable? That's a good example of conceptual 'clarity' again. Conceptual 'clarity' is based on personal experiences and the conclusions drawn from those experiences. As Andrew told us, he spent years in depression and therapy himself so to him it's more likely to conclude that others drag a lot of dysfunctional stuff around as well. than concluding that others just don't have that kind of stuff to drag around. His personal history makes him also more prone to commiserating with other broken ones. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 11, 2013 21:20:09 GMT -5
Yes, I realize that was your original purpose but it seems to have morphed into the whole teacher/student thing. Why is that? I suggested that E was bringing his personal relationship issues into his discussion with Silver. In his most significant relationship, Enigma is teacher and Marie is student. I'd say you bring your therapy and depression background into discussions with Silver and compare your states of misery and then start your wild conclusion and finger-pointing process. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 11, 2013 21:23:25 GMT -5
The whole thing is solidly grounded on speculation and assumption. What relationship issues? Well, it strikes me that as much as you love each other, there is an imbalance that on some level would seek to resolve itself. What do you know about Marie, really? Did you go with them to the park and scribbled your freudian notes? |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 11, 2013 21:27:44 GMT -5
That's the deally. The stories come fully written with an index and footnotes and it's just a matter of telling the story. No edits or revisions allowed. If I've got something wrong, I'm open to an explanation that says something different. I full out admit, in attempting to determine where others here are coming from, there's always a certain amount of surmising and therefore a certain lack of certainty. I have no problem admitting, I may be wrong in I disagreeessments. ....even when it comes to my perceptions of you E. Then there's ALWAYS only conceptual 'clarity' which basically means that there is ALWAYS some kind of confusion in your comments. |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 11, 2013 21:30:54 GMT -5
Perhaps a little, but mostly, they agree with you and in some cases even revere you. Revere me?? I spose it's out of the question that they mostly agree because they're conscious and sincere and seeing clearly. Authority?? If the focus is on challenging my supposed authority, there is no sincerity. Quinn tried to explain to you why that's a non-issue. Sincerity doesn't mean not pointing out illusions. Yes, I know you see yourself as doing the same thing, but that's because you lack sincerity. Looks like someone is trying to find a Enigma statue somewhere which they can hack into pieces later.... |
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Post by Reefs on Feb 11, 2013 21:33:15 GMT -5
There are differences. The idea that differences make for an imbalance is your idea based on judgment and expectation. Don't assume my relationship looks like yours. I don't. Of course there are differences, but I am talking about a quite particular dynamic. It seems like there might be some kind of rescuing/caretaking role playing itself out. "it seems", "there might be", "some kind of" <----- hyper-minding "rescuing/caretaking" <----- projecting your own personal background |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 22:33:16 GMT -5
You figure everyone has old hurts that they carry around with them? You think this is inevitable? That's a good example of conceptual 'clarity' again. Conceptual 'clarity' is based on personal experiences and the conclusions drawn from those experiences. As Andrew told us, he spent years in depression and therapy himself so to him it's more likely to conclude that others drag a lot of dysfunctional stuff around as well. than concluding that others just don't have that kind of stuff to drag around. His personal history makes him also more prone to commiserating with other broken ones. Seems more like projection as a way of life. It's incredible.  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 22:48:07 GMT -5
Revere me?? I spose it's out of the question that they mostly agree because they're conscious and sincere and seeing clearly. Authority?? If the focus is on challenging my supposed authority, there is no sincerity. Quinn tried to explain to you why that's a non-issue. Sincerity doesn't mean not pointing out illusions. Yes, I know you see yourself as doing the same thing, but that's because you lack sincerity. Looks like someone is trying to find a Enigma statue somewhere which they can hack into pieces later.... Yeah, if she can point me out up on a pedestal somewhere, she'll get all the help she needs to tear me down. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 23:28:12 GMT -5
Well, it strikes me that as much as you love each other, there is an imbalance that on some level would seek to resolve itself. What do you know about Marie, really? Did you go with them to the park and scribbled your freudian notes? You, are a hypocrite. |
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Post by arisha on Feb 11, 2013 23:28:39 GMT -5
Revere me?? I spose it's out of the question that they mostly agree because they're conscious and sincere and seeing clearly. Sure. The content of someone's post can have us questioning their said state of clarity. If we don't regard someone as actually seeing clearly, or of walking the talk they're talking, then couldn't it be said we have issue with their 'authority'? hehe...there you have it Quinn. Basically E, you defend everything you do here, even if it very much resembles the same petty bickering and sniping you call out others for, as being 'pointing out illusions.' In doing so, You place yourself in a position that is beyond reproach.
In my books, that's the epitome of a lack of 'sincerity.' Sooooooo true! |
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