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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 13:40:57 GMT -5
She's beginning to, but trusting herself is difficult for her. To the extent that she does, there has been change. Cool.  Normally I'd suspect a certain amount of dysfunction in such a relationship dynamic, however, it truly does appear that it works for both of you and that it provides a great deal of contentment on both sides. Just be aware that the very dynamic of guru/student that provides such comfort can also become a crutch and impediment to her clarity and trust in that....and to your own ability to see clearly, free of the 'guru' identity. It's been my observation that The roles we assume in our primary relationships often have quite an impact on the way we move within and experience our reality in general. She's encouraged me to be a teacher, write a book, etc, and I've made it clear to her I don't want to do that, and she understands why. (Given the attitude of some here I don't expect that to make sense to everybody, but she gets it) There's no role playing in our relationship. We 'come empty' to each other in communion and Love. There are no needs or expectations. There is no secret hurt that needs to be projected somewhere. I'm not going to keep explaining this. |
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Post by quinn on Feb 11, 2013 13:44:25 GMT -5
As far as challenging - I used to think it was E's giraffe when he referred to 'witch hunts', but I've come to realize that I don't challenge E as freely as I used to because of the 20 additional pages of sniping it would generate. It ain't worth it. Good point.  One has got to keep their mouth shut so as not to be put into a camp. Well, I guess the camp thing is inevitable. It's the time it takes to sift through the 20 pages that I don't care for. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 11, 2013 13:44:36 GMT -5
Hey, if you say that you don't think E has 'got something' that you haven't quite got, then fine. I will say that I chose my words so as to try and NOT convey hero-worshipping on your part, but maybe my wording failed. I would say that the basis of the forum contains a distinction, and I don't have a problem with going with that. Whether we call it enlightened/not enlightened, conceptual/non-conceptual, attached/non-attached, clear/not-clear. My purpose in this particular discussion has been to offer Top and E the possibility that to some extent, they might be bringing their hurts into their conversations with Silver. There has been a lot of focus on Silver bringing her hurts into conversation, but I don't think it is as one-sided as portrayed. I haven't been trying to prove anything more than that in this thread. Its an invitation to all participants (including me) to acknowledge that in a way, we are all on the same side. That although there is a relevant distinction to be made, its NOT an 'us and them' situation. Yes, I realize that was your original purpose but it seems to have morphed into the whole teacher/student thing. Why is that? I suggested that E was bringing his personal relationship issues into his discussion with Silver. In his most significant relationship, Enigma is teacher and Marie is student. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 13:50:52 GMT -5
As far as challenging - I used to think it was E's giraffe when he referred to 'witch hunts', but I've come to realize that I don't challenge E as freely as I used to because of the 20 additional pages of sniping it would generate. It ain't worth it. Good point. One has got to keep their mouth shut so as not to be put into a camp. That's something that never occurred to me, that peeps would back off from questioning to keep from starting a sniping war or being thrown in a prison camp. |
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Post by quinn on Feb 11, 2013 13:55:35 GMT -5
Good point. One has got to keep their mouth shut so as not to be put into a camp. That's something that never occurred to me, that peeps would back off from questioning to keep from starting a sniping war or being thrown in a prison camp. Guilty as charged  |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 13:56:37 GMT -5
Yes, I realize that was your original purpose but it seems to have morphed into the whole teacher/student thing. Why is that? I suggested that E was bringing his personal relationship issues into his discussion with Silver. In his most significant relationship, Enigma is teacher and Marie is student. The whole thing is solidly grounded on speculation and assumption. What relationship issues? |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 13:59:15 GMT -5
That's something that never occurred to me, that peeps would back off from questioning to keep from starting a sniping war or being thrown in a prison camp. Guilty as charged I promise if you question on the new forum, there won't be a sniping war. I've got my finger on peacemaker button.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 14:03:48 GMT -5
You were not mentioned in the original statement. So it wasn't "you challenge me and I see you as insincere". Nobody said that. No, I wasn't specifically mentioned there, but If I was intent, I could dig out several posts over time where E has labelled me as insincere and lacking in maturity....(as well as some other choice labels  ) No pat answer......a suspicion perhaps....but mostly a curiosity. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 11, 2013 14:09:30 GMT -5
I suggested that E was bringing his personal relationship issues into his discussion with Silver. In his most significant relationship, Enigma is teacher and Marie is student. The whole thing is solidly grounded on speculation and assumption. What relationship issues? Well, it strikes me that as much as you love each other, there is an imbalance that on some level would seek to resolve itself. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 14:11:00 GMT -5
Quinn, spongy, Beingist, Top, Silence, Reefs and Marie have all challenged me. Perhaps a little, but mostly, they agree with you and in some cases even revere you. I'd say it's about 'degree' of challenge. Within the context of a general acceptance of your authority and clarity, a little challenge is tolerated, but if the challenge is actually TO your authority as one who sees clearly, look out. You yourself are more often than not, an equal participant in these conversations you refer to. Without someone batting the ball back, there is no tennis match. So, considering your litmus test for 'sincerity' I guess you might do well to question your own....? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 14:17:42 GMT -5
Guilty as charged I promise if you question on the new forum, there won't be a sniping war. I've got my finger on peacemaker button. If that kind of peacemaking is important to you, why not bring that sentiment here with you? Sure, you don't have overall authority to moderate this forum as you do your own, but if freedom from sniping and such is important, you could BE the change you hope to see. |
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Post by topology on Feb 11, 2013 14:30:17 GMT -5
I promise if you question on the new forum, there won't be a sniping war. I've got my finger on peacemaker button. If that kind of peacemaking is important to you, why not bring that sentiment here with you? Sure, you don't have overall authority to moderate this forum as you do your own, but if freedom from sniping and such is important, you could BE the change you hope to see. What would that look like? Posting after every post perceived as sniping with the word: sssssSNIPING!! |
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Post by enigma on Feb 11, 2013 14:33:41 GMT -5
The whole thing is solidly grounded on speculation and assumption. What relationship issues? Well, it strikes me that as much as you love each other, there is an imbalance that on some level would seek to resolve itself. There are differences. The idea that differences make for an imbalance is your idea based on judgment and expectation. Don't assume my relationship looks like yours. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 14:33:43 GMT -5
That's the deally. The stories come fully written with an index and footnotes and it's just a matter of telling the story. No edits or revisions allowed.  If I've got something wrong, I'm open to an explanation that says something different. I full out admit, in attempting to determine where others here are coming from, there's always a certain amount of surmising and therefore a certain lack of certainty. I have no problem admitting, I may be wrong in my assessments. ....even when it comes to my perceptions of you E. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2013 14:34:55 GMT -5
If that kind of peacemaking is important to you, why not bring that sentiment here with you? Sure, you don't have overall authority to moderate this forum as you do your own, but if freedom from sniping and such is important, you could BE the change you hope to see. What would that look like? Posting after every post perceived as sniping with the word: sssssSNIPING!! hehe.... ;D No, just refraining from the urge to volley the ball back. |
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