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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2013 14:58:09 GMT -5
Yes, love and service are the natural result of realization. The sooner one starts with love and service the better results one has on their path to awakening. One has fewer and fewer blocks on the path if one does Right Action. If realization results in love, then love does not result in realization. What is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all, but some imagined idea of what love should be. This is why it fails. That would mean that prior to realization, that people have no actual knowledge of 'love'. Sure love may be 'polluted' to some extent by conditioned fears, but to say that people have no knowledge of actual love, and don't or cannot love prior to 'realization' is not correct. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 24, 2013 15:03:12 GMT -5
Yes, love and service are the natural result of realization. The sooner one starts with love and service the better results one has on their path to awakening. One has fewer and fewer blocks on the path if one does Right Action. If realization results in love, then love does not result in realization. What is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all, but some imagined idea of what love should be. This is why it fails. It doesn't matter. It can be an imagined idea, or a true love. But it doesn't matter. And it doesn't fail. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:07:12 GMT -5
Today at 7:27am, heterodox wrote:
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This post seems to have been deleted. However, if all viewpoints are equal, why are you disagreeing with Top's and offering your own?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 15:10:23 GMT -5
Today at 7:27am, heterodox wrote: Heterodox: This post seems to have been deleted. However, if all viewpoints are equal, why are you disagreeing with Top's and offering your own? I'm not disagreeing. Just sharing another viewpoint. You sure do have a lot of questions for an awake guy. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:12:21 GMT -5
If realization results in love, then love does not result in realization. What is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all, but some imagined idea of what love should be. This is why it fails. That would mean that prior to realization, that people have no actual knowledge of 'love'. Sure love may be 'polluted' to some extent by conditioned fears, but to say that people have no knowledge of actual love, and don't or cannot love prior to 'realization' is not correct. Yes, akshuly, that's correct. Prior to realization, what is known is not Love but one's idea of love. To say one is or isn't coming from love just means one is or isn't aligning with your idea of coming from love. This is how love is used as a weapon to hurt others. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 15:13:31 GMT -5
If realization results in love, then love does not result in realization. What is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all, but some imagined idea of what love should be. This is why it fails. That would mean that prior to realization, that people have no actual knowledge of 'love'. Sure love may be 'polluted' to some extent by conditioned fears, but to say that people have no knowledge of actual love, and don't or cannot love prior to 'realization' is not correct. Amen  Personal love is a concentrated form of universal love; universal love is an expanded form of personal love. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:16:02 GMT -5
If realization results in love, then love does not result in realization. What is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all, but some imagined idea of what love should be. This is why it fails. It doesn't matter. It can be an imagined idea, or a true love. But it doesn't matter. And it doesn't fail. The idea of love is not the same as what Love is. It obviously does fail. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 24, 2013 15:19:52 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. It can be an imagined idea, or a true love. But it doesn't matter. And it doesn't fail. The idea of love is not the same as what Love is. It obviously does fail. It doesn't fail because it doesn't matter if love is an idea or a love. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:27:01 GMT -5
Today at 7:27am, heterodox wrote: Heterodox: This post seems to have been deleted. However, if all viewpoints are equal, why are you disagreeing with Top's and offering your own? I'm not disagreeing. Just sharing another viewpoint. You sure do have a lot of questions for an awake guy. You began your post with "Disagree", and the rest of your post would seem to confirm that. I would suggest you go back and review the post, but it doesn't seem to exist. The notion that all viewpoints are equal seems to originate in some New Age beliefs, and offered to make folks who identify with their ideas feel like they are equal to all other idea persons. Where I suspect the idea came from is the idea that all viewpoints are limited by their nature, but there are extremely constrictive, biased and delusional viewpoints and there are extremely expanded viewpoints. They are in no way equal if one is interested in the truth. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2013 15:27:29 GMT -5
That would mean that prior to realization, that people have no actual knowledge of 'love'. Sure love may be 'polluted' to some extent by conditioned fears, but to say that people have no knowledge of actual love, and don't or cannot love prior to 'realization' is not correct. Yes, akshuly, that's correct. Prior to realization, what is known is not Love but one's idea of love. To say one is or isn't coming from love just means one is or isn't aligning with your idea of coming from love. This is how love is used as a weapon to hurt others. Sometimes I wonder about you, I really do. There is not a pre-realization love and a post-realization love. At most, we could say there is clearing up of interference, a purification of need, a de-pollution. Its still the same love. People that you consider to be unconscious still love, just as people that you consider to be conscious do. Conditional love and unconditional love is the same love, the former just comes with conditions. Really there is no such thing as 'unconditional' love, because love, by definition, is unconditional. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2013 15:27:59 GMT -5
That would mean that prior to realization, that people have no actual knowledge of 'love'. Sure love may be 'polluted' to some extent by conditioned fears, but to say that people have no knowledge of actual love, and don't or cannot love prior to 'realization' is not correct. Amen Personal love is a concentrated form of universal love; universal love is an expanded form of personal love. Yes. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:30:30 GMT -5
That would mean that prior to realization, that people have no actual knowledge of 'love'. Sure love may be 'polluted' to some extent by conditioned fears, but to say that people have no knowledge of actual love, and don't or cannot love prior to 'realization' is not correct. Amen Personal love is a concentrated form of universal love; universal love is an expanded form of personal love. If that were so, then one would expect 'personal love' to never fail. And yet..... |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:31:29 GMT -5
The idea of love is not the same as what Love is. It obviously does fail. It doesn't fail because it doesn't matter if love is an idea or a love. It obviously does fail. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2013 15:33:00 GMT -5
It doesn't matter. It can be an imagined idea, or a true love. But it doesn't matter. And it doesn't fail. The idea of love is not the same as what Love is. It obviously does fail. What you call 'Love' is unconditional love, which is still fundamentally the same 'love' that everyone has knowledge of. In reality, the idea of 'Love' and 'unconditional love' is a nonsense. They are just teaching tools, pointers away from conditioned beliefs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 15:35:20 GMT -5
You began your post with "Disagree", and the rest of your post would seem to confirm that. So what, and big deal. I would suggest you go back and review the post, but it doesn't seem to exist. It does exist. Silence quoted it. I stand by it. The notion that all viewpoints are equal seems to originate in some New Age beliefs, and offered to make folks who identify with their ideas feel like they are equal to all other idea persons. Your take on it, not mine. Everything is the same stuff. You could spend the rest of your life trying to disprove that. Where I suspect the idea came from is the idea that all viewpoints are limited by their nature, but there are extremely constrictive, biased and delusional viewpoints and there are extremely expanded viewpoints. They are in no way equal if one is interested in the truth. Great example of imagination. |
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Personal love is a concentrated form of universal love; universal love is an expanded form of personal love.