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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 15:36:08 GMT -5
It doesn't fail because it doesn't matter if love is an idea or a love. It obviously does fail. In your world. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:38:26 GMT -5
Yes, akshuly, that's correct. Prior to realization, what is known is not Love but one's idea of love. To say one is or isn't coming from love just means one is or isn't aligning with your idea of coming from love. This is how love is used as a weapon to hurt others. Sometimes I wonder about you, I really do. There is not a pre-realization love and a post-realization love. At most, we could say there is clearing up of interference, a purification of need, a de-pollution. Its still the same love. People that you consider to be unconscious still love, just as people that you consider to be conscious do. Conditional love and unconditional love is the same love, the former just comes with conditions. Really there is no such thing as 'unconditional' love, because love, by definition, is unconditional. The idea of love is not what Love is, or we could say love is the conceptual version of Love, which is why it is conditional. Unconditional Love, and unconditional Love that comes with conditions, cannot be said to be the same. If Love is unconditional by definition, then conditional love is obviously something else. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 15:38:57 GMT -5
Yes, akshuly, that's correct. Prior to realization, what is known is not Love but one's idea of love. To say one is or isn't coming from love just means one is or isn't aligning with your idea of coming from love. This is how love is used as a weapon to hurt others. Sometimes I wonder about you, I really do. There is not a pre-realization love and a post-realization love. At most, we could say there is clearing up of interference, a purification of need, a de-pollution. Its still the same love. People that you consider to be unconscious still love, just as people that you consider to be conscious do. Conditional love and unconditional love is the same love, the former just comes with conditions. Really there is no such thing as 'unconditional' love, because love, by definition, is unconditional. Nice post. I might have stopped at "Sometimes I wonder about you, I really do." Just for grins and giggles.;D I do admire your patience. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 15:40:37 GMT -5
The idea of love is not the same as what Love is. It obviously does fail. What you call 'Love' is unconditional love, which is still fundamentally the same 'love' that everyone has knowledge of. In reality, the idea of 'Love' and 'unconditional love' is a nonsense. They are just teaching tools, pointers away from conditioned beliefs. Whatever knowledge you have about Love is wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 15:42:07 GMT -5
What you call 'Love' is unconditional love, which is still fundamentally the same 'love' that everyone has knowledge of. In reality, the idea of 'Love' and 'unconditional love' is a nonsense. They are just teaching tools, pointers away from conditioned beliefs. Whatever knowledge you have about Love is wrong. Wow. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2013 15:42:17 GMT -5
Its because the love is the same whether its conditional or unconditional love, that the act of extending love, or choosing love, or being love can usefully break conditioned beliefs which tell us that we should only love or choose to be loving under certain conditions. In a sense, its a giving ourselves permission to love under any condition, and the ability to choose to love under any condition is a gift.
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2013 15:46:27 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder about you, I really do. There is not a pre-realization love and a post-realization love. At most, we could say there is clearing up of interference, a purification of need, a de-pollution. Its still the same love. People that you consider to be unconscious still love, just as people that you consider to be conscious do. Conditional love and unconditional love is the same love, the former just comes with conditions. Really there is no such thing as 'unconditional' love, because love, by definition, is unconditional. The idea of love is not what Love is, or we could say love is the conceptual version of Love, which is why it is conditional. Unconditional Love, and unconditional Love that comes with conditions, cannot be said to be the same. If Love is unconditional by definition, then conditional love is obviously something else. no, no, no, no. I said 'love' is unconditional by definition, not 'Love'. The reason we speak of 'Love' or 'unconditional love' is for pointing purposes only. Whether its conditional or unconditional, its still the same love. People that experience interference/attachment DO still love, CAN still choose to extend love, and CAN choose to be unconditionally loving. Its all still the same love. Again, this is a classic example of you putting yourself above others, creating a firm dividing line between the haves and have nots, and claiming a 'love' that normal folk have no knowledge of. No wonder you think we can't love our way to realization. We really can. And do. Its possibly the only way. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 24, 2013 15:49:13 GMT -5
What you call 'Love' is unconditional love, which is still fundamentally the same 'love' that everyone has knowledge of. In reality, the idea of 'Love' and 'unconditional love' is a nonsense. They are just teaching tools, pointers away from conditioned beliefs. Whatever knowledge you have about Love is wrong. What you call 'Love' is love without condition. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 16:08:11 GMT -5
What is being put forth as love prior to realization is not love at all, but some imagined idea of what love should be. This is why it fails. Negativity is born in the gap where love has been excluded. Not suggesting excluding love or even the idea of love or the expression of the idea. Just saying personal love is conditional. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 16:11:07 GMT -5
So in your world, when people love each other, that love never fails? Nobody ever gets hurt in the name of love? Seriously? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 16:15:26 GMT -5
So in your world, when people love each other, that love never fails? Nobody ever gets hurt in the name of love? Seriously? Didn't say that. You did. WE come into this world in innocence. Love. It gets covered over. It's still love. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 16:15:33 GMT -5
Its because the love is the same whether its conditional or unconditional love, that the act of extending love, or choosing love, or being love can usefully break conditioned beliefs which tell us that we should only love or choose to be loving under certain conditions. In a sense, its a giving ourselves permission to love under any condition, and the ability to choose to love under any condition is a gift. You cannot choose what is not yours to choose. You cannot give what is not yours to give. The best you can do is to personally define love and try to act accordingly. I have no problem with that but Love doesn't work that way at all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2013 16:17:07 GMT -5
Negativity is born in the gap where love has been excluded. Not suggesting excluding love or even the idea of love or the expression of the idea. Just saying personal love is conditional. That's a condition in itself. Love is everywhere and everything. I am that, and you are that, and this is that, and That's all there is. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 16:19:56 GMT -5
The idea of love is not what Love is, or we could say love is the conceptual version of Love, which is why it is conditional. Unconditional Love, and unconditional Love that comes with conditions, cannot be said to be the same. If Love is unconditional by definition, then conditional love is obviously something else. no, no, no, no. I said 'love' is unconditional by definition, not 'Love'. The reason we speak of 'Love' or 'unconditional love' is for pointing purposes only. Whether its conditional or unconditional, its still the same love. People that experience interference/attachment DO still love, CAN still choose to extend love, and CAN choose to be unconditionally loving. Its all still the same love. Again, this is a classic example of you putting yourself above others, creating a firm dividing line between the haves and have nots, and claiming a 'love' that normal folk have no knowledge of. No wonder you think we can't love our way to realization. We really can. And do. Its possibly the only way. Love is not what you think it is. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 24, 2013 16:22:42 GMT -5
Whatever knowledge you have about Love is wrong. What you call 'Love' is love without condition. That's right. Love without condition is not the same as love with condition. Why is that so hard to understand? |
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