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Post by silver on Jan 29, 2013 1:37:01 GMT -5
You started with the questions, B. I thought you were interested in a discussion. My mistake. All discussions here stop being discussions almost immediately and continue either as a squabble or an idle talking. As there is actually nothing to discuss for those who have run out of any valid ideas long ago, they are exercising in sarcasms (which smoothly turn into bullying if mods allow), or are borrowing energy by means of other tricks. Now we have a new idea : all delusions are the cause of hatefulness. And people here are first called deluded right and left, - and then labeled hateful. Those people have had no idea before that they are deluded, and hateful, don't feel any hatred, but on this forum they were explained by Enima that they are deluded, - and therefore - hateful. This is how he destroys beliefs and sees beyond beliefs. So, "hatefulness" is being artificially grown at full swing - in spite of the fact that there are no "haters" here who feel it. But it doesn't matter for Enigma. He keeps on. If there is no hatefulness he will imagine it. Otherwise it will be too boring to continue his idle talking about fabricated theories (he's been exhausted , idle talking about nothing in 26,000 posts! Needs to be energized with the idea about "haters"). Wake up from your dreams, Enigma! There are no haters! Maybe it is you who is a hater ? Because: 1. You are obviously deluded. 2. You started seeing hatefulness around any corner. I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments, Arisha. I'm grateful for your articulation of them. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2013 14:23:51 GMT -5
You started with the questions, B. I thought you were interested in a discussion. My mistake. All discussions here stop being discussions almost immediately and continue either as a squabble or an idle talking. As there is actually nothing to discuss for those who have run out of any valid ideas long ago, they are exercising in sarcasms (which smoothly turn into bullying if mods allow), or are borrowing energy by means of other tricks. Now we have a new idea : all delusions are the cause of hatefulness. And people here are first called deluded right and left, - and then labeled hateful. Those people have had no idea before that they are deluded, and hateful, don't feel any hatred, but on this forum they were explained by Enima that they are deluded, - and therefore - hateful. This is how he destroys beliefs and sees beyond beliefs. So, "hatefulness" is being artificially grown at full swing - in spite of the fact that there are no "haters" here who feel it. But it doesn't matter for Enigma. He keeps on. If there is no hatefulness he will imagine it. Otherwise it will be too boring to continue his idle talking about fabricated theories (he's been exhausted , idle talking about nothing in 26,000 posts! Needs to be energized with the idea about "haters"). Wake up from your dreams, Enigma! There are no haters! Maybe it is you who is a hater ? Because: 1. You are obviously deluded. 2. You started seeing hatefulness around any corner. Yes, I think I would say delusions are the cause of hatefulness. Do you really think it is love that causes all discussions to turn to "squabble"? Or perhaps you would place that responsibility entirely on me? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 29, 2013 14:27:57 GMT -5
All discussions here stop being discussions almost immediately and continue either as a squabble or an idle talking. As there is actually nothing to discuss for those who have run out of any valid ideas long ago, they are exercising in sarcasms (which smoothly turn into bullying if mods allow), or are borrowing energy by means of other tricks. Now we have a new idea : all delusions are the cause of hatefulness. And people here are first called deluded right and left, - and then labeled hateful. Those people have had no idea before that they are deluded, and hateful, don't feel any hatred, but on this forum they were explained by Enima that they are deluded, - and therefore - hateful. This is how he destroys beliefs and sees beyond beliefs. So, "hatefulness" is being artificially grown at full swing - in spite of the fact that there are no "haters" here who feel it. But it doesn't matter for Enigma. He keeps on. If there is no hatefulness he will imagine it. Otherwise it will be too boring to continue his idle talking about fabricated theories (he's been exhausted , idle talking about nothing in 26,000 posts! Needs to be energized with the idea about "haters"). Wake up from your dreams, Enigma! There are no haters! Maybe it is you who is a hater ? Because: 1. You are obviously deluded. 2. You started seeing hatefulness around any corner. I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments, Arisha. I'm grateful for your articulation of them. That agreement, and $2.50, will buy a Starbucks latte. |
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Post by whiteshaman on Jan 29, 2013 14:32:49 GMT -5
You started with the questions, B. I thought you were interested in a discussion. My mistake. All discussions here stop being discussions almost immediately and continue either as a squabble or an idle talking. As there is actually nothing to discuss for those who have run out of any valid ideas long ago, they are exercising in sarcasms (which smoothly turn into bullying if mods allow), or are borrowing energy by means of other tricks. Now we have a new idea : all delusions are the cause of hatefulness. And people here are first called deluded right and left, - and then labeled hateful. Those people have had no idea before that they are deluded, and hateful, don't feel any hatred, but on this forum they were explained by Enima that they are deluded, - and therefore - hateful. This is how he destroys beliefs and sees beyond beliefs. So, "hatefulness" is being artificially grown at full swing - in spite of the fact that there are no "haters" here who feel it. But it doesn't matter for Enigma. He keeps on. If there is no hatefulness he will imagine it. Otherwise it will be too boring to continue his idle talking about fabricated theories (he's been exhausted , idle talking about nothing in 26,000 posts! Needs to be energized with the idea about "haters"). Wake up from your dreams, Enigma! There are no haters! Maybe it is you who is a hater ? Because: 1. You are obviously deluded. 2. You started seeing hatefulness around any corner. Just to interject a humorous observation here. You unintentionally called E Enima in this post.........lol On the more serious side...wouldn't it be closer to the truth of what you are observing to simply suggest what you see his words MAY be doing to others instead of adding that these are his intentions or shortcomings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2013 15:18:02 GMT -5
It's a creation of everyone on the forum, but regardless, I'm trying to quell the notion that I'm responsible for all of Reef's words. Peeps devote a lot of energy to twisting the words I DO use, I'm not prepared to take responsibility for someone else's too, whether I agree with them or not. If Reefs said it, ask Reefs about it. Some twist the words you use and others seem to try to impress you. There is something about you that brings on these 'egoic' reactions to you. I'm not sure why that is but it is the energy of what is going on whether people want to admit that or not. It's not your fault but you have 'set' yourself up to be either respected or hated. Starting forums, being greatly involved in posting in forums, writing papers, giving instruction, creating your own web site related to this stuff..... Do you know what i am saying? I do but it's hard to relay it. Basically I see that you are reaping the results of your actions by setting yourself up as you have. Some want to knock you down and others want to kiss your ring. Both are the actions of children.
And it's happened to me twice so far in ST so i will begin by stating this is not directed at you or anyone in particular.
I am exploring the concepts themselves.
1: Enigma may not be aware he is setting up his existence.
2: 'Enigma setting himself up may simply be your interpretation.
3: Yes, the actions of children, and adults with undeveloped child like elements inside. I know i got 'em.
Though not all childlike qualities are negative.
4: Not always negative: same applies to knocking something down or admiring something.
I could list a lot more, but i will end on this one...Or a third option/alternate...
because enigma has chosen to stop communicating with me, and i reason because we greatly differ in our interpretations of reality,
and he is entitled to do so and i am ok with his choice,
i have no desire to tear him away from his conclusions or attach myself to his concepts.
If they work for him, then i am happy for him, they do not make sense to me and i am happy with the ones that do.
So i simply stop communicating with him since he is not interested. No harm, no fowl, hence, no drama.
I was not like this a few months ago.
In SF i would try to communicate with people who for XYZ reasons were not interested in either talking to me or discussing the issues i raised.
Sure, the downside is there's no connection, no relationship, no commune-ity. But there is also no problem between us.
If an issue cannot be resolved and either party can live the life they desire without resolving the problem,
and the problem does not adversely affect either party, then there is no need to persue it to resolve it.
So then it seems the problem only arises when the two meet.
So it then seems the actual problem is that person A has a problem with person Z.
But if person A, who has the problem~long pause~ with person Z, only sees that person Z has the problem,
well, i find it easy to predict that the problem will not be resolved any time soon.
Welcome to the circle, as Tzu clearly termed it.
What's obviously not clear is the source of the problem, unless of course people aren't interested in solving it and actually enjoy the circle,
like how people enjoy merry go rounds for example, or racing, around on a track over and over,
or football seasons repeated every year, or any other number of circular things in human culture. |
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Post by whiteshaman on Jan 29, 2013 16:07:34 GMT -5
Some twist the words you use and others seem to try to impress you. There is something about you that brings on these 'egoic' reactions to you. I'm not sure why that is but it is the energy of what is going on whether people want to admit that or not. It's not your fault but you have 'set' yourself up to be either respected or hated. Starting forums, being greatly involved in posting in forums, writing papers, giving instruction, creating your own web site related to this stuff..... Do you know what i am saying? I do but it's hard to relay it. Basically I see that you are reaping the results of your actions by setting yourself up as you have. Some want to knock you down and others want to kiss your ring. Both are the actions of children.
And it's happened to me twice so far in ST so i will begin by stating this is not directed at you or anyone in particular.
I am exploring the concepts themselves.
1: Enigma may not be aware he is setting up his existence.
2: 'Enigma setting himself up may simply be your interpretation.
3: Yes, the actions of children, and adults with undeveloped child like elements inside. I know i got 'em.
Though not all childlike qualities are negative.
4: Not always negative: same applies to knocking something down or admiring something.
I could list a lot more, but i will end on this one...Or a third option/alternate...
because enigma has chosen to stop communicating with me, and i reason because we greatly differ in our interpretations of reality,
and he is entitled to do so and i am ok with his choice,
i have no desire to tear him away from his conclusions or attach myself to his concepts.
If they work for him, then i am happy for him, they do not make sense to me and i am happy with the ones that do.
So i simply stop communicating with him since he is not interested. No harm, no fowl, hence, no drama.
I was not like this a few months ago.
In SF i would try to communicate with people who for XYZ reasons were not interested in either talking to me or discussing the issues i raised.
Sure, the downside is there's no connection, no relationship, no commune-ity. But there is also no problem between us.
If an issue cannot be resolved and either party can live the life they desire without resolving the problem,
and the problem does not adversely affect either party, then there is no need to persue it to resolve it.
So then it seems the problem only arises when the two meet.
So it then seems the actual problem is that person A has a problem with person Z.
But if person A, who has the problem~long pause~ with person Z, only sees that person Z has the problem,
well, i find it easy to predict that the problem will not be resolved any time soon.
Welcome to the circle, as Tzu clearly termed it.
What's obviously not clear is the source of the problem, unless of course people aren't interested in solving it and actually enjoy the circle,
like how people enjoy merry go rounds for example, or racing, around on a track over and over,
or football seasons repeated every year, or any other number of circular things in human culture.I hear ya but I was not attempting to offer any considerations as to why what is going on is going on. I was just noticing it going on and not meaning to put blame anywhere. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 30, 2013 1:57:09 GMT -5
I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments, Arisha. I'm grateful for your articulation of them. That agreement, and $2.50, will buy a Starbucks latte. Is it Love that makes you say that, Enigma? Yes, I think it is you who is responsible for squabbles. You could have made your previous comment and stopped. But you continued. Do you have any problems if somebody agrees with those who you believe you think you see as the ones who have different ideas? You may say it's love that has made you continue, or you may say nothing else. But you have already started a new squabble. It was you who started it. Not me, not somebody else, but you. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 30, 2013 2:09:09 GMT -5
All discussions here stop being discussions almost immediately and continue either as a squabble or an idle talking. As there is actually nothing to discuss for those who have run out of any valid ideas long ago, they are exercising in sarcasms (which smoothly turn into bullying if mods allow), or are borrowing energy by means of other tricks. Now we have a new idea : all delusions are the cause of hatefulness. And people here are first called deluded right and left, - and then labeled hateful. Those people have had no idea before that they are deluded, and hateful, don't feel any hatred, but on this forum they were explained by Enima that they are deluded, - and therefore - hateful. This is how he destroys beliefs and sees beyond beliefs. So, "hatefulness" is being artificially grown at full swing - in spite of the fact that there are no "haters" here who feel it. But it doesn't matter for Enigma. He keeps on. If there is no hatefulness he will imagine it. Otherwise it will be too boring to continue his idle talking about fabricated theories (he's been exhausted , idle talking about nothing in 26,000 posts! Needs to be energized with the idea about "haters"). Wake up from your dreams, Enigma! There are no haters! Maybe it is you who is a hater ? Because: 1. You are obviously deluded. 2. You started seeing hatefulness around any corner. Just to interject a humorous observation here. You unintentionally called E Enima in this post.........lol On the more serious side...wouldn't it be closer to the truth of what you are observing to simply suggest what you see his words MAY be doing to others instead of adding that these are his intentions or shortcomings. But he has proved immediately that all he needs is to continue, - a squabble, - as he added his comment about coffee, - he didn't add anything positive with this comment. If it's not done intentionally, than it is obviously a shortcoming, the inability to stop producing negativity. One comment about the same issue could be enough, right? But Enigma is interested in using EVERY post in order to create more and more negativity, and to use EVERY chance to attack those whose ideas are different. Being delusioned himself he sees others only as delusioned. |
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Post by silence on Jan 30, 2013 2:47:56 GMT -5
Just to interject a humorous observation here. You unintentionally called E Enima in this post.........lol On the more serious side...wouldn't it be closer to the truth of what you are observing to simply suggest what you see his words MAY be doing to others instead of adding that these are his intentions or shortcomings. But he has proved immediately that all he needs is to continue, - a squabble, - as he added his comment about coffee, - he didn't add anything positive with this comment. If it's not done intentionally, than it is obviously a shortcoming, the inability to stop producing negativity. One comment about the same issue could be enough, right? But Enigma is interested in using EVERY post in order to create more and more negativity, and to use EVERY chance to attack those whose ideas are different. Being delusioned himself he sees others only as delusioned. When you came back to the forum you seemed slightly less combative and obcessive. It seems like you're gearing back up to that level of full blown stalking and non stop harrassment again. |
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Post by arisha on Jan 30, 2013 2:55:35 GMT -5
But he has proved immediately that all he needs is to continue, - a squabble, - as he added his comment about coffee, - he didn't add anything positive with this comment. If it's not done intentionally, than it is obviously a shortcoming, the inability to stop producing negativity. One comment about the same issue could be enough, right? But Enigma is interested in using EVERY post in order to create more and more negativity, and to use EVERY chance to attack those whose ideas are different. Being delusioned himself he sees others only as delusioned. When you came back to the forum you seemed slightly less combative and obcessive. It seems like you're gearing back up to that level of full blown stalking and non stop harrassment again. See it as you want. |
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Post by topology on Jan 30, 2013 6:39:29 GMT -5
When you came back to the forum you seemed slightly less combative and obcessive. It seems like you're gearing back up to that level of full blown stalking and non stop harrassment again. See it as you want. You've done it on multiple threads already. I also sense your escalating tone. Let's face it Arisha, there's a part of you that is not loving or compassionate, but negative, attacking, judgmental, and venomous. That part of you is triggered by Tolle, Enigma, myself, and a few others. Why is that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 7:35:42 GMT -5
You've done it on multiple threads already. I also sense your escalating tone. Let's face it Arisha, there's a part of you that is not loving or compassionate, but negative, attacking, judgmental, and venomous. That part of you is triggered by Tolle, Enigma, myself, and a few others. Good morning, top. Right now, she's the best teacher on the board for you, and a few others. |
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Post by topology on Jan 30, 2013 7:53:35 GMT -5
You've done it on multiple threads already. I also sense your escalating tone. Let's face it Arisha, there's a part of you that is not loving or compassionate, but negative, attacking, judgmental, and venomous. That part of you is triggered by Tolle, Enigma, myself, and a few others. Good morning, top. Right now, she's the best teacher on the board for you, and a few others. So Tolle being an ugly man with an ugly methodology is something I should learn from her? |
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Post by silver on Jan 30, 2013 7:57:39 GMT -5
You've done it on multiple threads already. I also sense your escalating tone. Let's face it Arisha, there's a part of you that is not loving or compassionate, but negative, attacking, judgmental, and venomous. That part of you is triggered by Tolle, Enigma, myself, and a few others. Why is that? Why is it okay for you and a select few to express your own pet beliefs and biases with immunity while having both arms and legs wrapped around them holding on for dear life and yet you feel perfectly justified to completely smite Arisha's (and mine, and a few others' opinions) with a chilling air of snobbery? Why can you not let EVERYBODY have and express their own thoughts and opinions without knocking them? Not even questioning them with complete openness? It seems you think that this place is only for peeps with a specific set of narrow beliefs and leanings. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2013 8:00:39 GMT -5
Good morning, top. Right now, she's the best teacher on the board for you, and a few others. So Tolle being an ugly man with an ugly methodology is something I should learn from her? Of course not. Awareness is the classroom. |
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