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Post by esponja on Aug 12, 2012 18:14:29 GMT -5
Glad you're back, that didn't last long though lol! As you can see though not much has changed round here  Yes there's a feeling of something out of reach. I know that I'll always find something to be unhappy about although the story has been pretty consistent since a young age now that I see it. Anyhow, have decided not to analyse it anymore (well for now) am going to practice mindfulness for a while, if anything it helps balance me out. Sure. So long as you recognize that it's a simple matter of focus. No different than if you're sitting in your clean house but there's a smudge on the ceiling you can't reach. You can sit there all day looking at that smudge, or not. What attracts you to a place like this over something else? Is it the appearance of people who have everything all wrapped up who seem like they are never unhappy or have a hard time? No I just can't get enough of the subject I think, and besides I like you guys. Don't always understand you all but like you all! |
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Post by enigma on Aug 12, 2012 20:53:32 GMT -5
Sure. So long as you recognize that it's a simple matter of focus. No different than if you're sitting in your clean house but there's a smudge on the ceiling you can't reach. You can sit there all day looking at that smudge, or not. What attracts you to a place like this over something else? Is it the appearance of people who have everything all wrapped up who seem like they are never unhappy or have a hard time? No I just can't get enough of the subject I think, and besides I like you guys. Don't always understand you all but like you all! It's nice to hear someone thinks we don't deserve to be punished. Hehe. |
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Post by anja on Jun 26, 2016 19:15:16 GMT -5
Marie and I had a great squirrel satsang today. We were talking about the core issue of suffering as being the idea that something should not be as it is. In her case, there are some things about herself that she cannot accept as they are and she wasn't willing to let go of that attitude. I said "What is it that you want to change in me?" She said "Nothing". I said "Why is that? God knows I'm not perfect, so what is it that takes priority over you wanting to change me?" She paused for a moment and said "Love". I said "Yeeeeess", and she started to cry. A little while later there were several spontaneous contractions of the abdomen. Until now, this energetic contraction had only happened when she surrendered to me, but now it was about her relationship with herself. She said "I didn't know until now that I haven't been loving myself." I said "You know from your relationship with me that Love heals all wounds, solves all problems. All of life is a relationship; with yourself, with me, and with everyone and everything in your life. Regardless of the question, the answer is always the same. Love is the answer. Get out of the way and let life take care of itself. This is one of the most disturbing storys about an intimate human relationship I have heard in a very long time. I find it repelling. Maybe it's because this, what is described here, has nothing to do with what I would call love. It sounds more like some sort of "Fifty shades of Grey" kind of love-story, although I haven't read that book, only heard about it. I don't know if that story is funny or utterly disgusting. Somewhere in between....it seem. Good night! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 20:40:38 GMT -5
Marie and I had a great squirrel satsang today. We were talking about the core issue of suffering as being the idea that something should not be as it is. In her case, there are some things about herself that she cannot accept as they are and she wasn't willing to let go of that attitude. I said "What is it that you want to change in me?" She said "Nothing". I said "Why is that? God knows I'm not perfect, so what is it that takes priority over you wanting to change me?" She paused for a moment and said "Love". I said "Yeeeeess", and she started to cry. A little while later there were several spontaneous contractions of the abdomen. Until now, this energetic contraction had only happened when she surrendered to me, but now it was about her relationship with herself. She said "I didn't know until now that I haven't been loving myself." I said "You know from your relationship with me that Love heals all wounds, solves all problems. All of life is a relationship; with yourself, with me, and with everyone and everything in your life. Regardless of the question, the answer is always the same. Love is the answer. Get out of the way and let life take care of itself. This is one of the most disturbing storys about an intimate human relationship I have heard in a very long time. I find it repelling. Maybe it's because this, what is described here, has nothing to do with what I would call love. It sounds more like some sort of "Fifty shades of Grey" kind of love-story, although I haven't read that book, only heard about it. I don't know if that story is funny or utterly disgusting. Somewhere in between....it seem. Good night! Hope your night was as good as my own. One can polarize either side of Nigmas life story; the same is true for Women who wear the pants and are assisting their lover to arrive at a better understanding of themself, THAT being Life its self. Relationship is the fast-track in Zen, marriages great platforms to learn about sharing. As no one thing is fixed in a relationship I would say Nigma would be grateful for the wee-moments he has to relax in the moments of his lovers arms, she purring in Non-duality. Looking forward to how your relationship has matured. Always delightful to read a successful love story. I never bothered with Shades of Grey either Anja, we having an author here who is doing a similar style of writing and capitalizing to a small degree. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 4:21:54 GMT -5
So much of conflict has to do with blood sugar and sleep deficits. Part of being a successful parent is just getting good food accessible and a consistent bed routine. You're kiddin', right? Ever thought about what state of mind or state of being causes blood sugar and sleep deficits? ;D Sometimes 'no' brings such a storm of emotion, a real tirade. How odd?! They really should love having their natural flow of life force suppressed.  It's starting day 0 that parenting starts. Children can't make it with out us. ... Even when the kids could make it on their own, parents have a role. Well, of course you care about their basic physical needs. But that's about it. In the A-H LOA teachings there's no room for a concept like 'parenting'. I suggest dropping it. You seem totally overwhelmed. Get your act together first, then there might be a chance of teaching others. You don't teach with your words, you teach by example. What Daddy wants to say .... Nope, I don't have being a Dad mastered at all. You are quite a character, Topo. You can't get things straight with your own kids but you give others advice all day long...  And what daddy says doesn't matter anyway. Only what daddy lives, the daily example he gives matters. Time to drop that attachment to this 'good parent' concept. Hehe. Neil Walsch (Conversations with God) put forward the idea that raising kids must be a community effort, and no parents can actually fulfill that responsibility alone. Makes a lot of sense to me but probly not in this society. Makes no sense to me. That 'responsibility to others' concept is totally flawed. Enlightened ideals of being perfectly blissful, allowing, accepting, unconditionally loving, non-judgemental, peaceful. Usual stuff.
And there's also another premise in the LOA teachings, the concept of supreme inner guidance (intuition) that you don't seem to acknowledge at all.
I would love to live in a communal environment. I was raised in one, albeit it was very dysfunctional. Dysfunctional environments are the best, really. What if part of 'what is' is a feeling/thought of wanting to change appearances? Instead of acceptance and love of the current body image, an acceptance of the surgery to change it and a realisation that you are not the body and it's going to die sooner or later. Your body is a reflection of the balance of your thoughts. If you want to know what thoughts you are thinking, just look at what's manifesting around you. I would say that anyone who seriously pursues the "who am I?" inquiry will eventually have a realization that will clearly reveal who the questioner is, and who/what it is that wants to help people. Guaranteed?  Maybe that's why I don't have much use for the idea 'what is'. If one's ultimate goal is to accept that life can be unacceptable, the bar is way too low. Right. That's resignation, still resistance. If the resolution of the question were trivial, then Ramana would have been a fool to recommend it, but he was not a fool. Well, the foolish part about it would be to expect what worked for you will work in exactly the same way for others.  Nonsense, Get the knowledge of how universe works please, You create your reality is wrong, Only unfolding of universe happens and your choice and my choice would be the part of the unfoldment. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 4:32:00 GMT -5
You're kiddin', right? Ever thought about what state of mind or state of being causes blood sugar and sleep deficits? ;D How odd?! They really should love having their natural flow of life force suppressed. Well, of course you care about their basic physical needs. But that's about it. In the A-H LOA teachings there's no room for a concept like 'parenting'. I suggest dropping it. You seem totally overwhelmed. Get your act together first, then there might be a chance of teaching others. You don't teach with your words, you teach by example. You are quite a character, Topo. You can't get things straight with your own kids but you give others advice all day long... And what daddy says doesn't matter anyway. Only what daddy lives, the daily example he gives matters. Time to drop that attachment to this 'good parent' concept. Makes no sense to me. That 'responsibility to others' concept is totally flawed. The basic premise of the LOA teachings is that everyone is the creator of their own reality, that on one else but you can create in your reality. That's why parenting is nonsense. Parenting means creating in your child's reality. But you have no control over their focus or over the thoughts they think which means you have no control over your children's experience. As long as you are the object of their attention, you might have the chance of directing their focus into a certain direction, but to what conclusions they will come is beyond your power of influence. Give it up. Ditch that parenting concept.
And there's also another premise in the LOA teachings, the concept of supreme inner guidance (intuition) that you don't seem to acknowledge at all.
Dysfunctional environments are the best, really. Your body is a reflection of the balance of your thoughts. If you want to know what thoughts you are thinking, just look at what's manifesting around you. Guaranteed? Right. That's resignation, still resistance. Well, the foolish part about it would be to expect what worked for you will work in exactly the same way for others. Nonsense, Get the knowledge of how universe works please, You create your reality is wrong, Only unfolding of universe happens and your choice and my choice would be the part of the unfoldment. So important to look at both sides Gopal. You created your reality, so why cant others behave like you. Like your pic by the way. much better then the previous. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 4:35:40 GMT -5
Nonsense, Get the knowledge of how universe works please, You create your reality is wrong, Only unfolding of universe happens and your choice and my choice would be the part of the unfoldment. So important to look at both sides Gopal. You created your reality, so why cant others behave like you.Like your pic by the way. much better then the previous. I said 'You create your reality is wrong'. Did you read that? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 4:39:57 GMT -5
You said it.
About your hiatus...
What do you suppose you ment when you said 'hiatus.'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 4:41:41 GMT -5
You said it. About your hiatus... What do you suppose you ment when you said 'hiatus.' I said 'You create your reality is wrong'. But you are saying me that 'I said that I had created my reality'. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 4:47:44 GMT -5
You said it. About your hiatus... What do you suppose you ment when you said 'hiatus.' I said 'You create your reality is wrong'. But you are saying me that 'I said that I had created my reality'. No but about it, You created your reality, true. The others can create their realities when when they desire change. Between Two we have Love. Is Not that in keeping with the title of this thread of talking our faces off? If I Am between you two isn't that the solution surrounding us three? Love is the Answer. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 5:41:45 GMT -5
I said 'You create your reality is wrong'. But you are saying me that 'I said that I had created my reality'. No but about it, You created your reality, true. The others can create their realities when when they desire change. Between Two we have Love. Is Not that in keeping with the title of this thread of talking our faces off? If I Am between you two isn't that the solution surrounding us three? Love is the Answer. How many times should I need to repeat the fact that'You created your reality is wrong'? Would you hear me what I say Or you keep blabbering this way? |
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Post by anja on Jun 27, 2016 9:12:08 GMT -5
This is one of the most disturbing storys about an intimate human relationship I have heard in a very long time. I find it repelling. Maybe it's because this, what is described here, has nothing to do with what I would call love. It sounds more like some sort of "Fifty shades of Grey" kind of love-story, although I haven't read that book, only heard about it. I don't know if that story is funny or utterly disgusting. Somewhere in between....it seem. Good night! Hope your night was as good as my own. One can polarize either side of Nigmas life story; the same is true for Women who wear the pants and are assisting their lover to arrive at a better understanding of themself, THAT being Life its self. Relationship is the fast-track in Zen, marriages great platforms to learn about sharing. As no one thing is fixed in a relationship I would say Nigma would be grateful for the wee-moments he has to relax in the moments of his lovers arms, she purring in Non-duality. Looking forward to how your relationship has matured. Always delightful to read a successful love story. I never bothered with Shades of Grey either Anja, we having an author here who is doing a similar style of writing and capitalizing to a small degree. I have no problem with people who deal in sado/masochistic style relationships per se, IF they don't involve me in it. I have no interest in such a relationship, other than on a professional level. And even on that level my aim, my job is not to satisfy their sado/masochistic needs, wants and desires. I'm more like an exorzist. I make them realize how uncool it is to feel, think and act that way. Personal intimate relationships, in my view, should be engaged as equals. And therefore an intimate relationship between a therapist and the client, between a pastor and a believer, between a teacher and a student...etc. should be avoided at all costs. It will be some sort of a sado/masochistic element in it, no matter how mature it may seem later on. If a so called spiritual teacher wants to have a companion, she or he is supposed to seek for someone who is on an equally developed level of understanding. Otherwise it will be a sado/masochistical ex-change of ....well....karmic depts but not an eye-to-eye relationship. |
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Post by anja on Jun 27, 2016 18:48:23 GMT -5
Marie and I had a great squirrel satsang today. We were talking about the core issue of suffering as being the idea that something should not be as it is. In her case, there are some things about herself that she cannot accept as they are and she wasn't willing to let go of that attitude. I said "What is it that you want to change in me?" She said "Nothing". I said "Why is that? God knows I'm not perfect, so what is it that takes priority over you wanting to change me?" She paused for a moment and said "Love".
I said "Yeeeeess", and she started to cry. A little while later there were several spontaneous contractions of the abdomen. Until now, this energetic contraction had only happened when she surrendered to me, but now it was about her relationship with herself.She said "I didn't know until now that I haven't been loving myself." I said "You know from your relationship with me that Love heals all wounds, solves all problems. All of life is a relationship; with yourself, with me, and with everyone and everything in your life. Regardless of the question, the answer is always the same. Love is the answer. Get out of the way and let life take care of itself. Why did that kinda thingy did not work out for you, Nigma, still? Because if it would, you would talk a different kind of talk. How do I know? Because a non sado/masochistic relationship does it's job. Everytime. No failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 20:52:32 GMT -5
No but about it, You created your reality, true. The others can create their realities when when they desire change. Between Two we have Love. Is Not that in keeping with the title of this thread of talking our faces off? If I Am between you two isn't that the solution surrounding us three? Love is the Answer. How many times should I need to repeat the fact that'You created your reality is wrong'? Would you hear me what I say Or you keep blabbering this way? Keep blabbering, its important to you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2016 23:53:48 GMT -5
How many times should I need to repeat the fact that'You created your reality is wrong'? Would you hear me what I say Or you keep blabbering this way? Keep blabbering, its important to you. ok |
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