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Post by enigma on Apr 18, 2012 1:24:16 GMT -5
I don't know ZD! I just tried to remember what it was I felt in with Unmani and it was silence, awareness. Am probably missing the point? I think the point is that at some point you started trying to understand it? Trying to understand silence and awareness is a bit like a fish trying to find water. All he can do is frustrate himself. |
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Post by esponja on Apr 18, 2012 1:27:59 GMT -5
Mmm no I have no idea how I should feel Right so simply stop right there. Don't pass up the gravity of the statement so quickly. You could live many lifetimes waiting for the end of the "but..." statements to come to an end. Silence, I've said it many times, if you don't teach- you should. But I've got a hundred 'buts'. It's almost like Austin Powers; zip it..zip! |
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Post by enigma on Apr 18, 2012 1:41:45 GMT -5
Well, you can, and your openness makes peeps want to assist you. Seems to me like you've been doing pretty well, though maybe it takes a little more patience than you had anticipated. I dunno. Yes thanks, it's just disheartening to feel like you're back to square one. I get that we will experience these emotions, good and bad but my issue is all the stories that I attach with it...feels hellish right now and yet nothing has changed in my circumstances, it just took a very minor incident to set me all off and I feel like crawling into bed for a few days! The frustration is not such a bad thing, though I know it doesn't feel good. Marie has hit a few points of frustration, and I'm not good at hiding my smile, which doesn't always work out well. Hehe. But really, she understands that we don't stop playing the game until we really and truly have had enough of the nonsense. The spiritual seekers who are excited about their progress are actually on a side trip enjoying the scenery. The serious (earnest) ones usually feel like they've failed miserably. In a way, the goal is to become the best failure possible. How much can you lose and how fast? It's a unique kind of game we play. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 18, 2012 1:45:49 GMT -5
The separate, mind identified person can never be interested in what's actually true. If the person cannot distort the idea of oneness in some self serving way, it will have to be destroyed. At least I understand now what you've been doing. No, they can be interested in what is actually true. What they THINK is true. What's actually true denies the actuality of the one who's interested. |
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Post by arisha on Apr 18, 2012 1:53:37 GMT -5
No, they can be interested in what is actually true. What they THINK is true. What's actually true denies the actuality of the one who's interested. You will never go away from this thinking process. You cannot. You don't want to learn how to do it. What is actually true is inaccessible for you because of that. Then what are you trying to say again and again , being a separate mind identified person yourself? Why are you saying all this nonsense? |
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Post by esponja on Apr 18, 2012 1:55:30 GMT -5
I don't know ZD! I just tried to remember what it was I felt in with Unmani and it was silence, awareness. Am probably missing the point? I think the point is that at some point you started trying to understand it? Trying to understand silence and awareness is a bit like a fish trying to find water. All he can do is frustrate himself. Ooohhh God I sure am dumb sometimes I need stuff spealt out T O M E! I'd hve a terrible time with Koans. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 18, 2012 2:06:46 GMT -5
Hey Esponja, not that it really matters but just wanted to clarify that in this instance I wasnt particularly suggesting to set a goal as such, I was suggesting more just to take a close look within at what you want. Sorry remembered that from last time. I am looking within Andrew, am not liking any of my minds contents, which is my split mind at best. I've struggled with the same crappy dramas for years and am a little suprised at how this negative has reared it's ugly head with full force. I even picked up one of my old positive thinking books after not touching any all year..this is weird. I know those kinds of books aren't popular on here, but they do have something useful to offer in my opinion. Sometimes when we are feeling a bit low, it can be helpful to deliberately and consciously shift the way we feel. Im not talking about some kind of pretend or plastic happiness, Im talking about deliberately choosing to be grateful and appreciative. You really are doing okay with all this. As I said, Im pretty sure that if you check, you wouldnt want to change so drastically in one day that your family basically wouldnt recognize you. Thats kind of the way it happened for Byron Katie, but she is a bit of an exception. For those of us with families, I really feel that the loving thing to do is to integrate this stuff at a rate that also works for those that we love. Be patient and be open to different techniques, methods and ways of doing things. Im talking here as if Im 'done', but I am still 'in the process too', Im just pretty at peace with the process of becoming (which is really just a process of fumbling through each day as it comes hehe). I dont think there are two sides of the fence, even though it is sometimes helpfully (and sometimes not helpfully) presented as if there are. |
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Post by relinquish on Apr 18, 2012 2:07:35 GMT -5
Ok Sponge. I have a very simple question for you. What do you want more than anything else in the whole world?
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Post by andrew on Apr 18, 2012 2:11:23 GMT -5
Sorry remembered that from last time. I am looking within Andrew, am not liking any of my minds contents, which is my split mind at best. I've struggled with the same crappy dramas for years and am a little suprised at how this negative has reared it's ugly head with full force. I even picked up one of my old positive thinking books after not touching any all year..this is weird. The positive thinking business is premised on the fact that you're supposed to think and feel a certain way. . Its premise is that you dont HAVE to feel (and think) a certain way. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 18, 2012 2:42:19 GMT -5
What they THINK is true. What's actually true denies the actuality of the one who's interested. You will never go away from this thinking process. You cannot. You don't want to learn how to do it. What is actually true is inaccessible for you because of that. Then what are you trying to say again and again , being a separate mind identified person yourself? Why are you saying all this nonsense? What I've been saying, in dozens of different ways, is that you are not a person. You've already made it clear that you have no interest in that idea. I just explained to you why. |
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Post by lemongrass on Apr 18, 2012 2:44:35 GMT -5
Lol you stupid butthurt child. People know what you are trying to do here. Have fun jacking off with yourself for yourself to yourself. You can't touch me, but I can clearly touch you. How odd. Where did that come from? Did you think I was insulting Silence? Why would I want to touch you? So we can reach second base! |
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Post by enigma on Apr 18, 2012 2:45:14 GMT -5
I think the point is that at some point you started trying to understand it? Trying to understand silence and awareness is a bit like a fish trying to find water. All he can do is frustrate himself. Ooohhh God I sure am dumb sometimes I need stuff spealt out T O M E! I'd hve a terrible time with Koans. Well, I hear that the spelling part of the brain is ego, so better not listen!  |
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Post by enigma on Apr 18, 2012 2:51:10 GMT -5
The positive thinking business is premised on the fact that you're supposed to think and feel a certain way. . Its premise is that you dont HAVE to feel (and think) a certain way. It's premise is that you CAN think and feel a certain way and not another. It's an imaginary one-ended stick. It works for exactly as long as you can ignore the other end of the stick and pretend it's not there, which for most isn't long. |
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Post by lemongrass on Apr 18, 2012 2:54:57 GMT -5
Ooohhh God I sure am dumb sometimes I need stuff spealt out T O M E! I'd hve a terrible time with Koans. Well, I hear that the spelling part of the brain is ego, so better not listen! Oh come on now thats not what I said. And I still think stillness's ego was popping up when he kept replying to me. He knows how to spell the two words he misspelled. It was ego grasping going on, I can bet you. I'm a mother foocking authority, bitches. |
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Post by arisha on Apr 18, 2012 2:56:21 GMT -5
You will never go away from this thinking process. You cannot. You don't want to learn how to do it. What is actually true is inaccessible for you because of that. Then what are you trying to say again and again , being a separate mind identified person yourself? Why are you saying all this nonsense? What I've been saying, in dozens of different ways, is that you are not a person. You've already made it clear that you have no interest in that idea. I just explained to you why. I am asking not about me, but about you. I know that I am not a person, but you seem not to realize it yet that you are not a person. And you don't want to learn how to do that. So, you cannot know what is actually true. But you keep on explaining something on this forum as if you knew. That's why I ask : why are you saying all this nonsense which has nothing to do with what actually is true? |
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