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Post by enigma on Apr 4, 2012 11:47:20 GMT -5
Doesn't seem like you're experiencing a large enough quantity of love/peace today. Maybe you need to recognize less and go more unconscious? Im doing alright, I just havent got much tolerance for B.S. right now. We actually do go unconscious in a strange way, we become one with mind. We become one with the flow of the river. Its not unconscious in the old identified way though. Love and Peace are not what you think they are. They aren't a 'special state', but they can be recognized from a state of being fully conscious; a situation you seem to try hard to avoid. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 4, 2012 12:33:11 GMT -5
It looks like many of us are interested in over-thinking ;D In a way, its the recognition itself that is the over-thought. I mean, do we really need conscious recognition? Do we really need a sense of familiarity? Do we really need the thought 'Oh, I know what that is (or who that it). I recognize that.'? The truth is that most humans LIKE the recognition aspect. Its the 'recognizing' that gives us that sense of escaping and then returning home.....the sense of lostness and foundness....the sense of imperfection and perfection....the sense of wrongness and rightness. And our whole world is structured around 'recognition', because its a very utilitarian and rational thing. I doubt we could function on this earth without some degree of ability to recognize. Consciousness is all there is  |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 12:33:18 GMT -5
Im doing alright, I just havent got much tolerance for B.S. right now. We actually do go unconscious in a strange way, we become one with mind. We become one with the flow of the river. Its not unconscious in the old identified way though. Love and Peace are not what you think they are. They aren't a 'special state', but they can be recognized from a state of being fully conscious; a situation you seem to try hard to avoid. This is another desperate attempt to set yourself apart from people. Talking about a different kind of 'Love and Peace' may have some value in getting peeps off the starting blocks, but in actuality there is only the love and peace that all peeps know. Its time you got over your delusions of grandeur. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 12:34:03 GMT -5
In a way, its the recognition itself that is the over-thought. I mean, do we really need conscious recognition? Do we really need a sense of familiarity? Do we really need the thought 'Oh, I know what that is (or who that it). I recognize that.'? The truth is that most humans LIKE the recognition aspect. Its the 'recognizing' that gives us that sense of escaping and then returning home.....the sense of lostness and foundness....the sense of imperfection and perfection....the sense of wrongness and rightness. And our whole world is structured around 'recognition', because its a very utilitarian and rational thing. I doubt we could function on this earth without some degree of ability to recognize. Consciousness is all there is As a pointer I dont have an issue with that. Its the same really as 'there is only This'. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 4, 2012 12:38:22 GMT -5
Consciousness is all there is As a pointer I dont have an issue with that. Its the same really as 'there is only This'. It's not easy to go unconscious when consciousness is all there is ;D |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 12:45:54 GMT -5
As a pointer I dont have an issue with that. Its the same really as 'there is only This'. It's not easy to go unconscious when consciousness is all there is ;D In one way, it might be a better pointer to say that Unconsciousness is all there is! In this sense, the idea of 'being conscious' is a delusion. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 4, 2012 12:51:46 GMT -5
It's not easy to go unconscious when consciousness is all there is ;D In one way, it might be a better pointer to say that Unconsciousness is all there is! In this sense, the idea of 'being conscious' is a delusion. That works only until you 'stub your toe.' |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 12:58:21 GMT -5
In one way, it might be a better pointer to say that Unconsciousness is all there is! In this sense, the idea of 'being conscious' is a delusion. That works only until you 'stub your toe.' I agree. In this reality, we experience the delusion of 'being conscious'! As Niz said....''Consciousness is the sense of knowingness ‘I am’ without words, and it appeared unknowingly and unsolicited.'' This knowingness is maya and in my opinion there are other realities where this maya is not a feature. Love is a fact of those realities (and therefore there is no recognition of it). |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 13:55:43 GMT -5
I was just reflecting on my slight...'brusqueness', today, and it occurred to me that my Mum received a powerful Reiki/Theta healing yesterday. The healer told me that she ''commanded that all beliefs that contradict the Truth of who she is be released gently and in the highest and best way, and that they be replaced with unconditional love.''
Its been a bumpy day for my Mum today, and Im kinda thinking that the healing she received is playing itself out through me too!
So anyway, apologies if Im being a bit brusque, you are all great guys. That doesnt mean I aint gonna argue though hehe.
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Post by silence on Apr 4, 2012 13:58:18 GMT -5
I was just reflecting on my slight...'brusqueness', today, and it occurred to me that my Mum received a powerful Reiki/Theta healing yesterday. The healer told me that she ''commanded that all beliefs that contradict the Truth of who she is be released gently and in the highest and best way, and that they be replaced with unconditional love.'' Its been a bumpy day for my Mum today, and Im kinda thinking that the healing she received is playing itself out through me too! So anyway, apologies if Im being a bit brusque, you are all great guys. That doesnt mean I aint gonna argue though hehe. No need for apologies. I may not always agree with what you have to say but I much prefer (reading and participating in) a direct conversation over walking on eggshells. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 13:59:12 GMT -5
I was just reflecting on my slight...'brusqueness', today, and it occurred to me that my Mum received a powerful Reiki/Theta healing yesterday. The healer told me that she ''commanded that all beliefs that contradict the Truth of who she is be released gently and in the highest and best way, and that they be replaced with unconditional love.'' Its been a bumpy day for my Mum today, and Im kinda thinking that the healing she received is playing itself out through me too! So anyway, apologies if Im being a bit brusque, you are all great guys. That doesnt mean I aint gonna argue though hehe. No need for apologies. I may not always agree with what you have to say but I much prefer (reading and participating in) a direct conversation over walking on eggshells.  yes, me too. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 4, 2012 16:26:49 GMT -5
What you are doing Andrew is making the dream real. Like that there is an other-ness called most humans. Or that something is recognized or not recognized. Or something is lost and then found. That there is right and wrong. And what your making even more real is that there is someone that recognizes all this. Not only have you forgotten it's all a dream that you've created within the mind. But you've forgotten that you've forgotten. It's Okay though, cus you've created me to remind you not to take your dream so seriously... ;D And you are reifying horrendously still TRF. You are wonderfully demonstrating the non-dualized mind in action. Its hopelessly deluded but having been 'there' myself I understand its hard to see it when we are in that place. I'm not sure what a non-dualized mind is really. But then what do illusions know about mind, let alone a dualized mind, or a non-dualized mind. Seems like a few too many minds to me though. I don't think I'm wonderfully demonstrating anything that you haven't already rubber stamped. That's just a matter of perspective I guess. You Andrew, and I TRF, as the I AM, might be hinting though, that your not quite comfortable with the idea of being both a dream character, and the creator of your dream. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 4, 2012 18:28:39 GMT -5
Love and Peace are not what you think they are. They aren't a 'special state', but they can be recognized from a state of being fully conscious; a situation you seem to try hard to avoid. This is another desperate attempt to set yourself apart from people. Talking about a different kind of 'Love and Peace' may have some value in getting peeps off the starting blocks, but in actuality there is only the love and peace that all peeps know. Its time you got over your delusions of grandeur. ;D The idea that "Peaceth passeth all understandingeth" implies it is not the peace you understand. I know he's not Bashar the magnificent, but Jesus still had it goin on. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 18:31:21 GMT -5
And you are reifying horrendously still TRF. You are wonderfully demonstrating the non-dualized mind in action. Its hopelessly deluded but having been 'there' myself I understand its hard to see it when we are in that place. I'm not sure what a non-dualized mind is really. But then what do illusions know about mind, let alone a dualized mind, or a non-dualized mind. Seems like a few too many minds to me though. I don't think I'm wonderfully demonstrating anything that you haven't already rubber stamped. That's just a matter of perspective I guess. You Andrew, and I TRF, as the I AM, might be hinting though, that your not quite comfortable with the idea of being both a dream character, and the creator of your dream. What Im saying is that if it doesnt appear, its really not worth talking about. I wouldnt say what I just said there to everyone, for newbies to the path it might be worth talking about something that doesnt appear, but we only talk about this because the newbie thinks that things exist separately. Neither you nor I think that things exist separately, so there really isnt a lot of point in either of us talking about something that doesnt appear. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 18:34:56 GMT -5
This is another desperate attempt to set yourself apart from people. Talking about a different kind of 'Love and Peace' may have some value in getting peeps off the starting blocks, but in actuality there is only the love and peace that all peeps know. Its time you got over your delusions of grandeur. ;D The idea that "Peaceth passeth all understandingeth" implies it is not the peace you understand. I know he's not Bashar the magnificent, but Jesus still had it goin on. Jesus was reifying, which given the peeps he was talking to, is fair enough really! The issues that are relevant for peeps on here are not the same. The issue for peeps on here is more likely finding a way to release the reifying. |
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