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Post by Portto on Apr 4, 2012 19:33:51 GMT -5
The issue for peeps on here is more likely finding a way to release the reifying. Nay, they just need to release the need to release. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 4, 2012 21:25:09 GMT -5
I'm not sure what a non-dualized mind is really. But then what do illusions know about mind, let alone a dualized mind, or a non-dualized mind. Seems like a few too many minds to me though. I don't think I'm wonderfully demonstrating anything that you haven't already rubber stamped. That's just a matter of perspective I guess. You Andrew, and I TRF, as the I AM, might be hinting though, that your not quite comfortable with the idea of being both a dream character, and the creator of your dream. What Im saying is that if it doesnt appear, its really not worth talking about. I wouldnt say what I just said there to everyone, for newbies to the path it might be worth talking about something that doesnt appear, but we only talk about this because the newbie thinks that things exist separately. Neither you nor I think that things exist separately, so there really isnt a lot of point in either of us talking about something that doesnt appear. What appears to you is your creation and it is wonderfully unfathomable. And it's a beautiful universe you've painted. As you say the art and the artist are one in the same. And if your more interested in the art than meeting the artist, I'll buy that. |
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Post by relinquish on Apr 4, 2012 21:49:38 GMT -5
The issue for peeps on here is more likely finding a way to release the reifying. Nay, they just need to release the need to release. Yeah, but we don't even need to do that once it is seen that is no one here to release anything, just as there is nothing here to release. This can be seen if we consider 'What IS' in the most all-encompassing possible way, because if we do this we will see that 'What IS' is without another, forever and ever. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 5, 2012 1:56:29 GMT -5
The issue for peeps on here is more likely finding a way to release the reifying. Nay, they just need to release the need to release. Im not going to disagree with that. Its still releasing a need. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 5, 2012 1:58:56 GMT -5
What Im saying is that if it doesnt appear, its really not worth talking about. I wouldnt say what I just said there to everyone, for newbies to the path it might be worth talking about something that doesnt appear, but we only talk about this because the newbie thinks that things exist separately. Neither you nor I think that things exist separately, so there really isnt a lot of point in either of us talking about something that doesnt appear. What appears to you is your creation and it is wonderfully unfathomable. And it's a beautiful universe you've painted. As you say the art and the artist are one in the same. And if your more interested in the art than meeting the artist, I'll buy that.  |
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Post by Portto on Apr 5, 2012 7:11:44 GMT -5
Nay, they just need to release the need to release. Im not going to disagree with that. Its still releasing a need. I was joking ;D ;D |
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Post by andrew on Apr 5, 2012 7:46:19 GMT -5
Im not going to disagree with that. Its still releasing a need. I was joking ;D ;D Oh I missed that. It reminded me of the Sedona Method, which is a process of 'releasing' through 4 questions. After a while, it gets to a point where we use the process to release the releasing itself! |
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Post by Portto on Apr 5, 2012 8:16:03 GMT -5
Oh I missed that. It reminded me of the Sedona Method, which is a process of 'releasing' through 4 questions. After a while, it gets to a point where we use the process to release the releasing itself! "The wheels on the bus go round and round Round and round, round and round The wheels on the bus go round and round All through the town." |
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Post by andrew on Apr 5, 2012 8:21:27 GMT -5
Oh I missed that. It reminded me of the Sedona Method, which is a process of 'releasing' through 4 questions. After a while, it gets to a point where we use the process to release the releasing itself! "The wheels on the bus go round and round Round and round, round and round The wheels on the bus go round and round All through the town." Yes. That's why I think the energy needs to be 'burned up'. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 5, 2012 8:24:40 GMT -5
"The wheels on the bus go round and round Round and round, round and round The wheels on the bus go round and round All through the town." Yes. That's why I think the energy needs to be 'burned up'. You want to leave the children without a bus?  |
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Post by enigma on Apr 5, 2012 10:17:27 GMT -5
Oh I missed that. It reminded me of the Sedona Method, which is a process of 'releasing' through 4 questions. After a while, it gets to a point where we use the process to release the releasing itself! Then what method do you use to release the need to release the need? It reminds me of 'observing the observer of the observing' and 'putting the out front out front'. It's not so much wrong as it is pandering to mind weaving layer upon layer of doing in a futile attempt to undo itself. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 5, 2012 10:20:37 GMT -5
Yes. That's why I think the energy needs to be 'burned up'. You want to leave the children without a bus? I think he wants to burn the bus!......Seems a bit harsh to me. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 5, 2012 10:54:12 GMT -5
Yes. That's why I think the energy needs to be 'burned up'. You want to leave the children without a bus? Bit of exercise might be a good thing! |
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Post by andrew on Apr 5, 2012 10:59:04 GMT -5
Oh I missed that. It reminded me of the Sedona Method, which is a process of 'releasing' through 4 questions. After a while, it gets to a point where we use the process to release the releasing itself! Then what method do you use to release the need to release the need? It reminds me of 'observing the observer of the observing' and 'putting the out front out front'. It's not so much wrong as it is pandering to mind weaving layer upon layer of doing in a futile attempt to undo itself. Well, it seems to work for those that use the Sedona Method. What happens is that as we release the releasing, the energy to do the questioning falls away and leaves us empty handed. These days I quite simply dont have the kind of energy required to do the questioning (though there are times when I might 'allow a feeling to be here' or 'welcome a feeling' - both of these are Sedona Method strategies). Aside from the many ways that the Sedona Method helps people with emotional problems, mental problems, and even physical pain, the questions are for those that still have an energy of seeking/doing/achieving. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 5, 2012 11:06:53 GMT -5
Here is Lester Levenson's story (the guy who 'came up with' the Sedona Method)..... www.lesterlevenson.org/about-lester.php#Its more for those that resonate with a holistic process than those who like to do the work at the level of the conscious mind. |
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