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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 7:41:20 GMT -5
You summed it up well yourself once....'love without recognition of love'. It looks like many of us are interested in over-thinking ;D In a way, its the recognition itself that is the over-thought. I mean, do we really need conscious recognition? Do we really need a sense of familiarity? Do we really need the thought 'Oh, I know what that is (or who that it). I recognize that.'? The truth is that most humans LIKE the recognition aspect. Its the 'recognizing' that gives us that sense of escaping and then returning home.....the sense of lostness and foundness....the sense of imperfection and perfection....the sense of wrongness and rightness. And our whole world is structured around 'recognition', because its a very utilitarian and rational thing. I doubt we could function on this earth without some degree of ability to recognize. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 4, 2012 9:37:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I've been avoiding that for a while too. I don't know what the unconscious experience of contrast would be. You summed it up well yourself once....'love without recognition of love'. I don't recognize that, but I do recognize Love. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 4, 2012 9:43:34 GMT -5
It looks like many of us are interested in over-thinking ;D In a way, its the recognition itself that is the over-thought. I mean, do we really need conscious recognition? Do we really need a sense of familiarity? Do we really need the thought 'Oh, I know what that is (or who that it). I recognize that.'? The truth is that most humans LIKE the recognition aspect. Its the 'recognizing' that gives us that sense of escaping and then returning home.....the sense of lostness and foundness....the sense of imperfection and perfection....the sense of wrongness and rightness. And our whole world is structured around 'recognition', because its a very utilitarian and rational thing. I doubt we could function on this earth without some degree of ability to recognize. Now you've turned recognition into a problem.  |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 4, 2012 9:48:07 GMT -5
It looks like many of us are interested in over-thinking ;D In a way, its the recognition itself that is the over-thought. I mean, do we really need conscious recognition? Do we really need a sense of familiarity? Do we really need the thought 'Oh, I know what that is (or who that it). I recognize that.'? The truth is that most humans LIKE the recognition aspect. Its the 'recognizing' that gives us that sense of escaping and then returning home.....the sense of lostness and foundness....the sense of imperfection and perfection....the sense of wrongness and rightness. And our whole world is structured around 'recognition', because its a very utilitarian and rational thing. I doubt we could function on this earth without some degree of ability to recognize. What you are doing Andrew is making the dream real. Like that there is an other-ness called most humans. Or that something is recognized or not recognized. Or something is lost and then found. That there is right and wrong. And what your making even more real is that there is someone that recognizes all this. Not only have you forgotten it's all a dream that you've created within the mind. But you've forgotten that you've forgotten. It's Okay though, cus you've created me to remind you not to take your dream so seriously... ;D |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 10:13:28 GMT -5
You summed it up well yourself once....'love without recognition of love'. I don't recognize that, but I do recognize Love. Haha, yes you do, and therefore you also recognize what isnt love (or Love if you prefer to capitalize) |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 10:15:00 GMT -5
In a way, its the recognition itself that is the over-thought. I mean, do we really need conscious recognition? Do we really need a sense of familiarity? Do we really need the thought 'Oh, I know what that is (or who that it). I recognize that.'? The truth is that most humans LIKE the recognition aspect. Its the 'recognizing' that gives us that sense of escaping and then returning home.....the sense of lostness and foundness....the sense of imperfection and perfection....the sense of wrongness and rightness. And our whole world is structured around 'recognition', because its a very utilitarian and rational thing. I doubt we could function on this earth without some degree of ability to recognize. Now you've turned recognition into a problem. Thats what we do on the forum innit - we create a problem. Plus I wasnt the one that said I dont create problems...Im aware that I do. Creating and solving problems is part of 3d earth life. It goes hand in hand with 'recognition'. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 10:15:53 GMT -5
In a way, its the recognition itself that is the over-thought. I mean, do we really need conscious recognition? Do we really need a sense of familiarity? Do we really need the thought 'Oh, I know what that is (or who that it). I recognize that.'? The truth is that most humans LIKE the recognition aspect. Its the 'recognizing' that gives us that sense of escaping and then returning home.....the sense of lostness and foundness....the sense of imperfection and perfection....the sense of wrongness and rightness. And our whole world is structured around 'recognition', because its a very utilitarian and rational thing. I doubt we could function on this earth without some degree of ability to recognize. What you are doing Andrew is making the dream real. Like that there is an other-ness called most humans. Or that something is recognized or not recognized. Or something is lost and then found. That there is right and wrong. And what your making even more real is that there is someone that recognizes all this. Not only have you forgotten it's all a dream that you've created within the mind. But you've forgotten that you've forgotten. It's Okay though, cus you've created me to remind you not to take your dream so seriously... ;D And you are reifying horrendously still TRF. You are wonderfully demonstrating the non-dualized mind in action. Its hopelessly deluded but having been 'there' myself I understand its hard to see it when we are in that place. |
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Post by silence on Apr 4, 2012 10:34:10 GMT -5
And the wheel keeps turning...
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Post by enigma on Apr 4, 2012 10:50:00 GMT -5
I don't recognize that, but I do recognize Love. Haha, yes you do, and therefore you also recognize what isnt love (or Love if you prefer to capitalize) No, I recognize the illusion of dualistic love. You want Love to be one side of the love/fear concept, just as you want Peace to be one side of the peace/turmoil concept. It seems the only way you can make sense out of what genuine Love must be is to imagine that we have to go unconscious and not recognize the love/fear contrast. The idea that we have to go unconscious again is another odd one. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 4, 2012 10:59:11 GMT -5
Now you've turned recognition into a problem. Thats what we do on the forum innit - we create a problem. No, I don't think the problems necessarily get created here, though that happens too. I assume problems are generally what brings peeps here in search of solutions. I didn't say you don't. Just 'recognizing' how you turn virtually everything into a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 11:05:14 GMT -5
And the wheel keeps turning... put a coin in the slot, it's a wonder what you get: Left a good job in the city, Workin for the man evry night and day, And I never lost one minute of sleepin, Worryin bout the way things might have been. Chorus: Big wheel keep on turnin, Proud mary keep on burnin, Rollin, rollin, rollin on the river. Cleaned a lot of plates in memphis, Pumped a lot of pain down in new orleans, But I never saw the good side of the city, til I hitched a ride on a river boat queen. Chorus Rollin, rollin, rollin on the river. If you come down to the river, Bet you gonna find some people who live. You dont have to worry cause you have no money, People on the river are happy to give. Chorus Rollin, rollin, rollin on the river. Rollin, rollin, rollin on the river. Rollin, rollin, rollin on the river. Category: Music |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 11:12:28 GMT -5
Haha, yes you do, and therefore you also recognize what isnt love (or Love if you prefer to capitalize) No, I recognize the illusion of dualistic love. You want Love to be one side of the love/fear concept, just as you want Peace to be one side of the peace/turmoil concept. It seems the only way you can make sense out of what genuine Love must be is to imagine that we have to go unconscious and not recognize the love/fear contrast. The idea that we have to go unconscious again is another odd one. Look at you reifying there as if there is some special thing or state out there that only enlightened peeps know about it. Its so pretentious. All peeps know what love and peace are, stop dressing it up. Yes codependency happens in many relationships but that doesnt mean that peeps are missing out on some kind of 'genuine love'. Genuine love my as* |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 11:15:41 GMT -5
Thats what we do on the forum innit - we create a problem. No, I don't think the problems necessarily get created here, though that happens too. I assume problems are generally what brings peeps here in search of solutions. I didn't say you don't. Just 'recognizing' how you turn virtually everything into a problem. I have yet to see any member of this forum not create a problem no matter whether that member declares themselves to be a seeker or teacher. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 4, 2012 11:20:13 GMT -5
No, I recognize the illusion of dualistic love. You want Love to be one side of the love/fear concept, just as you want Peace to be one side of the peace/turmoil concept. It seems the only way you can make sense out of what genuine Love must be is to imagine that we have to go unconscious and not recognize the love/fear contrast. The idea that we have to go unconscious again is another odd one. Look at you reifying there as if there is some special thing or state out there that only enlightened peeps know about it. Its so pretentious. All peeps know what love and peace are, stop dressing it up. Yes codependency happens in many relationships but that doesnt mean that peeps are missing out on some kind of 'genuine love'. Genuine love my as* Doesn't seem like you're experiencing a large enough quantity of love/peace today. Maybe you need to recognize less and go more unconscious? |
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Post by andrew on Apr 4, 2012 11:27:37 GMT -5
Look at you reifying there as if there is some special thing or state out there that only enlightened peeps know about it. Its so pretentious. All peeps know what love and peace are, stop dressing it up. Yes codependency happens in many relationships but that doesnt mean that peeps are missing out on some kind of 'genuine love'. Genuine love my as* Doesn't seem like you're experiencing a large enough quantity of love/peace today. Maybe you need to recognize less and go more unconscious? Im doing alright, I just havent got much tolerance for B.S. right now. We actually do go unconscious in a strange way, we become one with mind. We become one with the flow of the river. Its not unconscious in the old identified way though. |
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