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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 10:54:50 GMT -5
You didn't used to talk it as fun. You used to call it hell. A lot of it was extreme hell, yes, and I wouldnt choose to go back to it even if I could. However, I can look back with a slightly different perspective. In its own hellish way it was an adventure, and adventures are fun by definition. These days things are different, though I do feel very finished with the 3d earth (which is good synchronistic timing according to my sources!). So you want to escape. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 11:00:04 GMT -5
Or rather You like drama Andrew. There is just You and the dramatic dream You're creating. Drama is a way of drawing your attention away from the fact that your creating it. If you weren't getting into the play, you'd have to remember your emptiness, your nothingness as everything, and that your alone in the universe. You Andrew, are the only one here... Your sense of escaping from life, might be your attempt to escape from your true nature through the drama of your dream. And hearing this message might be a reminder about who's running the projector.... ;D I dont recall saying that I am trying to escape from life TRF. Maybe whats really happening here is that you are reminding yourself. Andrew:"I do feel very finished with the 3d earth". Yes, yes, you're embracing life in the 5th dimension.  |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 11:05:24 GMT -5
A lot of it was extreme hell, yes, and I wouldnt choose to go back to it even if I could. However, I can look back with a slightly different perspective. In its own hellish way it was an adventure, and adventures are fun by definition. These days things are different, though I do feel very finished with the 3d earth (which is good synchronistic timing according to my sources!). So you want to escape. Its more like listening to a cd over and over again and finally losing interest in it. So no, I wouldnt say I want to escape, its more that I have lost interest in the fundamental 3d structures that characterize this world. At most there is a sense of some slightly unfinished business in some of my closer relationships (not my wife and kids). My guess is that these loose ends are being tied up this year. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 11:06:56 GMT -5
I dont recall saying that I am trying to escape from life TRF. Maybe whats really happening here is that you are reminding yourself. Andrew:"I do feel very finished with the 3d earth". Yes, yes, you're embracing life in the 5th dimension. I dont think it works like that. I think we shift more through loss of interest. Just being....finished. I wonder if a Mom wants her baby to 'escape' the womb or if she is just compelled to push. Or if the former caterpillar wants to 'escape' the cocoon as it becomes a butterfly. The word 'escape' doesnt capture my experience very well. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 3, 2012 11:12:01 GMT -5
Im not sure its that straight forward for everyone. It took me a good 10 years of fun, games and drama to release the want/need to try and escape after having first seen that there is 'no actual separate self' and 'no separation'. You didn't used to talk it as fun. You used to call it hell. That's just how the mind works. When we feel good, we tend to look more positively upon past events. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 11:33:25 GMT -5
Andrew:"I do feel very finished with the 3d earth". Yes, yes, you're embracing life in the 5th dimension. I dont think it works like that. I think we shift more through loss of interest. Just being....finished. I wonder if a Mom wants her baby to 'escape' the womb or if she is just compelled to push. Or if the former caterpillar wants to 'escape' the cocoon as it becomes a butterfly. The word 'escape' doesnt capture my experience very well. There is the loss of interest in drama, the loss of interest in rabid thinking, the loss of interest in problems and solutions, the loss of interest in the tension of resistance that causes sickness in body and mind. There is astounding beauty in the simplest things in this world. Hell and heaven are both right here in THIS dimension. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 11:34:51 GMT -5
You didn't used to talk it as fun. You used to call it hell. That's just how the mind works. When we feel good, we tend to look more positively upon past events. Yes, but in this case I think the word 'fun' was used to back up the odd idea that life enjoys trying to escape life. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 11:36:49 GMT -5
I dont think it works like that. I think we shift more through loss of interest. Just being....finished. I wonder if a Mom wants her baby to 'escape' the womb or if she is just compelled to push. Or if the former caterpillar wants to 'escape' the cocoon as it becomes a butterfly. The word 'escape' doesnt capture my experience very well. There is the loss of interest in drama, the loss of interest in rabid thinking, the loss of interest in problems and solutions, the loss of interest in the tension of resistance that causes sickness in body and mind. There is astounding beauty in the simplest things in this world. Hell and heaven are both right here in THIS dimension. You said it dude, heaven and hell are both right here in this dimension. Its a dimension of consciously experienced constrast. And even the most enlightened stub their toes and experience discomfort and fill in tax returns! Im thinking the chances of you misquoting what I said there when you reply are pretty high. Oh, if you had really lost interest in problems, you wouldnt create them when you talk on the forum (and Im not talking about the problems you have with people here.) |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 3, 2012 11:39:20 GMT -5
Or rather You like drama Andrew. There is just You and the dramatic dream You're creating. Drama is a way of drawing your attention away from the fact that your creating it. If you weren't getting into the play, you'd have to remember your emptiness, your nothingness as everything, and that your alone in the universe. You Andrew, are the only one here... Your sense of escaping from life, might be your attempt to escape from your true nature through the drama of your dream. And hearing this message might be a reminder about who's running the projector.... ;D I dont recall saying that I am trying to escape from life TRF. Maybe whats really happening here is that you are reminding yourself. I don't recall saying that you were, I was talking about your 'sense' of escaping, what you believe and have experienced about it. Like a while back you were talking about escaping death. I guess you must have forgotten that death doesn't mean anything to you and that when you get bored with your dream of Andrew, you'll just put him to sleep. I'm just reminding you that You decide who escapes and who doesn't, who lives and who dies. It's your show... ;D |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 11:43:11 GMT -5
I dont recall saying that I am trying to escape from life TRF. Maybe whats really happening here is that you are reminding yourself. I don't recall saying that you were, I was talking about your 'sense' of escaping, what you believe and have experienced about it. Like a while back you were talking about escaping death. I guess you must have forgotten that death doesn't mean anything to you and that when you get bored with your dream of Andrew, you'll just put him to sleep. I'm just reminding you that You decide who escapes and who doesn't, who lives and who dies. It's your show... ;D I havent talked of escaping death, I have talked about losing interest in death, and losing interest in beginnings and endings. I might be wrong, but I think you are reifying here by the way because it sounds like you are pointing to something 'prior'. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 3, 2012 12:21:07 GMT -5
I don't recall saying that you were, I was talking about your 'sense' of escaping, what you believe and have experienced about it. Like a while back you were talking about escaping death. I guess you must have forgotten that death doesn't mean anything to you and that when you get bored with your dream of Andrew, you'll just put him to sleep. I'm just reminding you that You decide who escapes and who doesn't, who lives and who dies. It's your show... ;D I havent talked of escaping death, I have talked about losing interest in death, and losing interest in beginnings and endings. I might be wrong, but I think you are reifying here by the way because it sounds like you are pointing to something 'prior'. What I'm reminding you of is in line with the topic of this thread, only I'm giving the concept of Oneness a bit of a breather, as some folks are suffering from Oneness burnout. Are "You" the ultimate realization? Are "You" as the 'I AM' as everything... the ultimate realization? If it is, then there is just "YOU" and no other. And even more importantly, how does it affect Your dream of Andrew? If it seems like I'm reminding you of something real, as opposed to your dream, I guess I am...hehe |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 12:25:11 GMT -5
I havent talked of escaping death, I have talked about losing interest in death, and losing interest in beginnings and endings. I might be wrong, but I think you are reifying here by the way because it sounds like you are pointing to something 'prior'. What I'm reminding you of is in line with the topic of this thread, only I'm giving the concept of Oneness a bit of a breather, as some folks are suffering from Oneness burnout. Are "You" the ultimate realization? Are "You" as the 'I AM' as everything... the ultimate realization? If it is, then there is just "YOU" and no other. And even more importantly, how does it affect Your dream of Andrew? If it seems like I'm reminding you of something real, as opposed to your dream, I guess I am...hehe Yes, but you are reifying for your benefit, not for mine. I have no need for you to bring something into existence (that you are saying is 'real') that doesnt exist, and that is what you are doing here. You are creating one thing that is opposed to another thing. Do you see? In the act of pointing, you are actually creating 'otherness'. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 3, 2012 13:03:17 GMT -5
What I'm reminding you of is in line with the topic of this thread, only I'm giving the concept of Oneness a bit of a breather, as some folks are suffering from Oneness burnout. Are "You" the ultimate realization? Are "You" as the 'I AM' as everything... the ultimate realization? If it is, then there is just "YOU" and no other. And even more importantly, how does it affect Your dream of Andrew? If it seems like I'm reminding you of something real, as opposed to your dream, I guess I am...hehe Yes, but you are reifying for your benefit, not for mine. I have no need for you to bring something into existence (that you are saying is 'real') that doesnt exist, and that is what you are doing here. You are creating one thing that is opposed to another thing. Do you see? In the act of pointing, you are actually creating 'otherness'. There isn't anybody here benefiting or not benefiting from what is taking place in your dream. You are the commander in chief of the dream, whatever you say goes... If one of your dream characters is trying to make something real or creating otherness from pointing, that's what your creating. Do you believe that you are Andrew, or are You the only one here, as Andrew, as TRF, as Enigma, as Zendancer, as etc, as etc, as etc,? |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 14:40:27 GMT -5
Yes, but you are reifying for your benefit, not for mine. I have no need for you to bring something into existence (that you are saying is 'real') that doesnt exist, and that is what you are doing here. You are creating one thing that is opposed to another thing. Do you see? In the act of pointing, you are actually creating 'otherness'. There isn't anybody here benefiting or not benefiting from what is taking place in your dream. You are the commander in chief of the dream, whatever you say goes... If one of your dream characters is trying to make something real or creating otherness from pointing, that's what your creating. Do you believe that you are Andrew, or are You the only one here, as Andrew, as TRF, as Enigma, as Zendancer, as etc, as etc, as etc,? You're so funny TRF! You tell me what you need to hear me say which will resolve your want to point me to 'something that is real' in future. I mean it...tell me what answer you need to hear right now, and if it resonates with me, I will say it. Do you want me to say that 'I am the only one here'? Its not something I would say very much but yes, okay....'I am the only one here'. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 14:50:15 GMT -5
Im sorry, having just said it, I read it back...and it really is an absurd thing to say. I think I understand what is meant by it, but its still absurd. Its the kind of thought that a non-dualized mind would think.
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