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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 1:51:02 GMT -5
the main reason it likes to experience (the illusion) of escaping from itself is because it also likes to experience (the illusion) of coming home to itself. Life doesn't enjoy trying to escape from itself. I dunno, I reckon humans kinda like the drama |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 1:51:40 GMT -5
What's the goal here? If the majority of humans are on a stage believing they are the character being played, is the goal to get off the stage and witness the play unfold from the seats, or is the goal to release identification with the character and carry on with the play? Is it really possible to get off the stage and witness the play unfold? Or is that actually a new character being played on the stage itself? The character of the 'disidentified witness''.... Can we escape the storylines? Can we get out of life? Is witnessing just another unfolding storyline? Is the story of a 'witness' just another storyline? It seems to be true ... When the position is changed, it is actually not changed, and the illusion keeps on manifesting itself. We cannot escape the storylines, we cannot get out of life, and there is no goal because it is not we who choose it. I pretty much agree |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 1:53:40 GMT -5
Seems to me a sheet of paper without a black dot on it is a blank sheet of paper. (That does exist) Even if we accept the holey paper idea, it didn't cease to exist, it just has a hole in it. well the black dot actually is never there but we pretend it is.... I feel like we are splitting pretend atoms here and getting away from the point of the original post...... Yer probly right. I think I missed the point of the original post. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 1:56:28 GMT -5
Life doesn't enjoy trying to escape from itself. I dunno, I reckon humans kinda like the drama Sure, humans like drama. I don't see drama as an attempt to escape life, and I don't see life enjoying trying to escape itself. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 2:04:38 GMT -5
I dunno, I reckon humans kinda like the drama Sure, humans like drama. I don't see drama as an attempt to escape life, and I don't see life enjoying trying to escape itself. Personally, I would very much classify the attempt to escape life as drama. Humans tend to love to experience 'relief' and there is no greater relief than the experience of coming home after having been away. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 2:37:20 GMT -5
Sure, humans like drama. I don't see drama as an attempt to escape life, and I don't see life enjoying trying to escape itself. Personally, I would very much classify the attempt to escape life as drama. Humans tend to love to experience 'relief' and there is no greater relief than the experience of coming home after having been away. Drama is not relief, nor is it an attempt to escape life, nor does life itself enjoy trying to escape life. The attempt to escape life is drama, though a rather desperate form that is not at all enjoyed. Suicide is one attempt to escape life, and it's not enjoyed. What you said is drama is an attempt to escape life, and most drama is an attempt to enter more deeply and more powerfully into life. That's the sort of drama that is enjoyed, until it isn't. Then we want to escape the drama. |
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Post by relinquish on Apr 3, 2012 3:26:50 GMT -5
If something is trying to escape from something else, I would say that it's the apparently separate self that's trying to escape from separation, without knowing that it's trying to do that at all. Even if it did know, it wouldn't know what such an escape would actually mean. The reason this is hilariouse is because there is no actual separate self and there is no separation. When this is seen, the apparently separate self stops trying to escape from separation.
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 6:21:29 GMT -5
If something is trying to escape from something else, I would say that it's the apparently separate self that's trying to escape from separation, without knowing that it's trying to do that at all. Even if it did know, it wouldn't know what such an escape would actually mean. The reason this is hilariouse is because there is no actual separate self and there is no separation. When this is seen, the apparently separate self stops trying to escape from separation. Im not sure its that straight forward for everyone. It took me a good 10 years of fun, games and drama to release the want/need to try and escape after having first seen that there is 'no actual separate self' and 'no separation'. |
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Post by relinquish on Apr 3, 2012 6:54:18 GMT -5
If something is trying to escape from something else, I would say that it's the apparently separate self that's trying to escape from separation, without knowing that it's trying to do that at all. Even if it did know, it wouldn't know what such an escape would actually mean. The reason this is hilariouse is because there is no actual separate self and there is no separation. When this is seen, the apparently separate self stops trying to escape from separation. Im not sure its that straight forward for everyone. It took me a good 10 years of fun, games and drama to release the want/need to try and escape after having first seen that there is 'no actual separate self' and 'no separation'. Fair enough. But after your seeing, what did you think you were going to escape from? And as what? This what I mean when I say that you wouldn't have actually known what it would have ment to 'escape'. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 3, 2012 7:05:05 GMT -5
the main reason it likes to experience (the illusion) of escaping from itself is because it also likes to experience (the illusion) of coming home to itself. Life doesn't enjoy trying to escape from itself. What about when we dream we are immortal individual souls on an intergalactic peace mission? I see it as an enjoyable attempt to escape life, although you would also be right to see it as an attempt to engage life more deeply. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 7:43:50 GMT -5
Im not sure its that straight forward for everyone. It took me a good 10 years of fun, games and drama to release the want/need to try and escape after having first seen that there is 'no actual separate self' and 'no separation'. Fair enough. But after your seeing, what did you think you were going to escape from? And as what? This what I mean when I say that you wouldn't have actually known what it would have ment to 'escape'. Hmmm. After the first seeing, it was very apparent to me that I was not who/what I thought I was, and I guess I basically sought to 'escape' what I understood to be the 'false self'. The irony is that although the false self is born out of insecurity, the game of releasing the false self is also born out of deep insecurity. Whatever way we look at it, I was basically very insecure, and it took me a long time to....hmmm.....'consolidate' that first seeing. I would say the process is still unfolding, its just not really any of my business these days. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 3, 2012 9:42:03 GMT -5
If something is trying to escape from something else, I would say that it's the apparently separate self that's trying to escape from separation, without knowing that it's trying to do that at all. Even if it did know, it wouldn't know what such an escape would actually mean. The reason this is hilariouse is because there is no actual separate self and there is no separation. When this is seen, the apparently separate self stops trying to escape from separation. Im not sure its that straight forward for everyone. It took me a good 10 years of fun, games and drama to release the want/need to try and escape after having first seen that there is 'no actual separate self' and 'no separation'. You didn't used to talk it as fun. You used to call it hell. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 3, 2012 9:45:07 GMT -5
Life doesn't enjoy trying to escape from itself. I dunno, I reckon humans kinda like the drama Or rather You like drama Andrew. There is just You and the dramatic dream You're creating. Drama is a way of drawing your attention away from the fact that your creating it. If you weren't getting into the play, you'd have to remember your emptiness, your nothingness as everything, and that your alone in the universe. You Andrew, are the only one here... Your sense of escaping from life, might be your attempt to escape from your true nature through the drama of your dream. And hearing this message might be a reminder about who's running the projector.... ;D |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 10:21:20 GMT -5
Im not sure its that straight forward for everyone. It took me a good 10 years of fun, games and drama to release the want/need to try and escape after having first seen that there is 'no actual separate self' and 'no separation'. You didn't used to talk it as fun. You used to call it hell. A lot of it was extreme hell, yes, and I wouldnt choose to go back to it even if I could. However, I can look back with a slightly different perspective. In its own hellish way it was an adventure, and adventures are fun by definition. These days things are different, though I do feel very finished with the 3d earth (which is good synchronistic timing according to my sources!). |
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Post by andrew on Apr 3, 2012 10:22:47 GMT -5
I dunno, I reckon humans kinda like the drama Or rather You like drama Andrew. There is just You and the dramatic dream You're creating. Drama is a way of drawing your attention away from the fact that your creating it. If you weren't getting into the play, you'd have to remember your emptiness, your nothingness as everything, and that your alone in the universe. You Andrew, are the only one here... Your sense of escaping from life, might be your attempt to escape from your true nature through the drama of your dream. And hearing this message might be a reminder about who's running the projector.... ;D I dont recall saying that I am trying to escape from life TRF. Maybe whats really happening here is that you are reminding yourself. |
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