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Post by andrew on Apr 2, 2012 7:34:38 GMT -5
Thats the process I resonate with, yes (though there is a difference between position one and position three, the difference being one of identification WITH the character) thought: position one includes much 'resistance to what is.' position three is 'loving what is.' Yup |
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Post by Portto on Apr 2, 2012 9:22:04 GMT -5
thought: position one includes much 'resistance to what is.' position three is 'loving what is.' Position one includes bliss, love, pain, suffering, disorientation. Position three includes bliss, love, pain. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 2, 2012 10:13:01 GMT -5
We are life itself. Why are you talking about escaping stuff? I think its a relevant subject |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 10:16:57 GMT -5
thought: position one includes much 'resistance to what is.' position three is 'loving what is.' Position one includes bliss, love, pain, suffering, disorientation. Position three includes bliss, love, pain. interesting. So position two involves the dismantling of that which causes suffering&disorientation. |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 2, 2012 10:56:17 GMT -5
You gotta love your positions of one, two and three...
After all You created them from position zero... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2012 11:03:06 GMT -5
You gotta love your positions of one, two and three... After all You created them from position zero... ;D TRA LA LA LA (I'm still pretending to forget that, apparently) |
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Post by therealfake on Apr 2, 2012 11:55:13 GMT -5
You gotta love your positions of one, two and three... After all You created them from position zero... ;D TRA LA LA LA (I'm still pretending to forget that, apparently) No problem, I'm just one of the dream characters you've created to help you remember... |
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Post by Portto on Apr 2, 2012 14:15:15 GMT -5
We are life itself. Why are you talking about escaping stuff? I think its a relevant subject It's relevant indeed  What is 'life' trying to escape from? |
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Post by andrew on Apr 2, 2012 14:19:04 GMT -5
I think its a relevant subject It's relevant indeed What is 'life' trying to escape from? Thats not terminology that I would perhaps use, but to go with it, I would say that bizarrely, when it is trying to escape, it is trying to escape from itself. And yet I think the main reason it likes to experience (the illusion) of escaping from itself is because it also likes to experience (the illusion) of coming home to itself. |
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Post by Portto on Apr 2, 2012 14:34:40 GMT -5
It's relevant indeed What is 'life' trying to escape from? Thats not terminology that I would perhaps use, but to go with it, I would say that bizarrely, when it is trying to escape, it is trying to escape from itself. And yet I think the main reason it likes to experience (the illusion) of escaping from itself is because it also likes to experience (the illusion) of coming home to itself. OK, but it's also afraid to escape and afraid to come home. |
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Post by andrew on Apr 2, 2012 15:43:15 GMT -5
Thats not terminology that I would perhaps use, but to go with it, I would say that bizarrely, when it is trying to escape, it is trying to escape from itself. And yet I think the main reason it likes to experience (the illusion) of escaping from itself is because it also likes to experience (the illusion) of coming home to itself. OK, but it's also afraid to escape and afraid to come home. Yes, it all makes for good drama hehe |
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2012 17:49:49 GMT -5
TRA LA LA LA (I'm still pretending to forget that, apparently) No problem, I'm just one of the dream characters you've created to help you remember... As I see it, nothing of any significance was ever forgotten. |
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Post by enigma on Apr 2, 2012 17:56:53 GMT -5
It's relevant indeed What is 'life' trying to escape from? the main reason it likes to experience (the illusion) of escaping from itself is because it also likes to experience (the illusion) of coming home to itself. Life doesn't enjoy trying to escape from itself. |
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Post by arisha on Apr 2, 2012 22:48:09 GMT -5
What's the goal here? If the majority of humans are on a stage believing they are the character being played, is the goal to get off the stage and witness the play unfold from the seats, or is the goal to release identification with the character and carry on with the play? Is it really possible to get off the stage and witness the play unfold? Or is that actually a new character being played on the stage itself? The character of the 'disidentified witness''.... Can we escape the storylines? Can we get out of life? Is witnessing just another unfolding storyline? Is the story of a 'witness' just another storyline? It seems to be true ... When the position is changed, it is actually not changed, and the illusion keeps on manifesting itself. We cannot escape the storylines, we cannot get out of life, and there is no goal because it is not we who choose it. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Apr 3, 2012 1:20:12 GMT -5
In that analogy, correct. Without the dot it would be a sheet of paper with a hole in it. Thus not complete without it's little dot to fill the gap. Seems to me a sheet of paper without a black dot on it is a blank sheet of paper. (That does exist) Even if we accept the holey paper idea, it didn't cease to exist, it just has a hole in it. well the black dot actually is never there but we pretend it is.... I feel like we are splitting pretend atoms here and getting away from the point of the original post...... |
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