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Post by quinn on Feb 5, 2012 4:03:10 GMT -5
i love adya's stuff about manifesting, when some lady asked him about 'the secret' and what he thought about it. his response was basically that the best thing to put active time into manifesting was "thy will" and that any other kinds of attention to manifesting was just another excuse of the mind to argue with THIS and to focus on the imagined do-er. i'll look and see which satsang this was from if i can remember and i'll post it.  May have been a different satsang, but I heard him speak about manifesting as kind of inconsequential (to awakening) but that it was fun to manifest parking spots. ;D |
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Post by andrew on Feb 5, 2012 5:12:35 GMT -5
I would say that to understand that we are creating our reality is to awaken, because with that understanding we can no longer see ourselves as separate from the creation process. Life is no longer is something that happens TO us, we are fully immersed in the process of Life Life-ing. Its the beginning of the end of the idea of a external reality which can be objectively known by apriori knowers, and the beginning of the beginning of the idea of a subjectively experienced reality in which the knower and known are not separate.
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Post by arisha on Feb 5, 2012 5:32:16 GMT -5
I would like to manifest $2,000 for a gift of 15% to Gods Work, that's 10% tithes and 5% love offering (total 15%/85%). The other $1,750 for personal use. Is this a good percent to give? How do I "effortlessly" manifest this money? and... Does this help one become enlightened or not? This has nothing to do with enlightenment. Manifestation of money or anything for the personal use has nothing to do with spiritual growth, or spirituality. All those authors who feed you with this spiritual pop corn are so far from spirituality that they teach the directly opposite things, and not what spirituality is. Because spirituality is about humanistic qualities and " the deepest values and meanings by which people live. " If you think that manifestations of something for your personal use is spiritual then you just join the Illuminati with their mentality who are as far from spirituality and enlightenment ( though they use these words), as black magic is. All methods those authors recommend create an ego of the abominable size, and how are you going to achieve the state of desirelessness with this ego? If what you want is actually magic abilities, then why to say all these speeches about spiritual growth? The authors you like so much just have a very good understanding of what folks like to eat, they like this food themselves, and they cook it for you, and for themselves, and have money selling you this pop spirituality. They can probably teach you some magic, but not spirituality. Do they call it spirituality and not magic instead? They will call it with any word if magic sounds not good . Why to lose those who are from the families with religious background and were taught that magic is something bad? But magic and spirituality are different things. |
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Post by freddy on Feb 5, 2012 6:34:44 GMT -5
Even spirituality has nothing to do with enlightenment. The Truth is so simple and fundamental that this spiritual circus takes you far far away from it. Do not try to be quiet; do not make 'being quiet' into a task to be performed.
Don't be restless about 'being quiet', miserable about 'being happy'.
Just be aware that you are and remain aware Maharaj Nisargadatta Better go to the kitchen and enjoy a cup of coffee instead of trying to become a person with only good attitudes or developing magic abilities. Magic is in the picture in front of you. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 5, 2012 6:36:45 GMT -5
I read this earlier and thought of this subject. From Neale Donald Walsch's ''Conversations with God 3''
God - '' I want to tell you, my dearest children, that this matter of Who You Are, and Who You Choose To Be, is of great importance. Not only because it sets the tone of your experience, but because it creates the nature of mine. All of your life you have been told that God created you. I come now to tell you this: You are creating God. That is a massive rearrangement of your understanding I know. And yet it is a necessary one if you are to go about the true work for which you came. This is holy work we are up to, you and I. This is sacred ground We walk. This is The Path.''
''The human race has no chance to lift itself from its own lowest thoughts until you lift yourself to your own highest ideas. Those ideas, expressed through you, as you, create the template, set the stage, serve as a model for the next level of human experience. You are the life and the way. The world will follow you. You are not at choice in this matter. It is the only matter in which you have no free choice. It is simple the way it is. Your world will follow your idea about yourself . Ever it has been, ever it will. First comes your thought about yourself, then follows the outer world of physical manifestation. What you think, you create. What you create, you become. What you become, you express. What you express, you experience. What you experience, you are. What you are, you think. The circle is complete.''
''You are defining God. I have sent you - a blessed part of Me - into physical form that I might know Myself experientially as all that I know Myself to be conceptually. Life exists as a tool for God to turn concept into experience. It exists for you to do the same. For you are God, doing this. I choose to re-create Myself anew in every single moment. I choose to experience the grandest version of the grandest vision ever I had about Who I Am. I have created you, so that you might re-create Me. This is our holy work. This is our very reason for being.''
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Post by exactamente on Feb 5, 2012 6:58:14 GMT -5
Do not try to be quiet; do not make 'being quiet' into a task to be performed.
Don't be restless about 'being quiet', miserable about 'being happy'.
Just be aware that you are and remain aware Maharaj Nisargadatta Better go to the kitchen and enjoy a cup of coffee instead of trying to become a person with only good attitudes or developing magic abilities. Magic is in the picture in front of you. That's a quote for sdp. BTW, how about a nice big cup? |
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Post by Portto on Feb 5, 2012 9:17:42 GMT -5
I read this earlier and thought of this subject. From Neale Donald Walsch's ''Conversations with God 3'' God - '' I want to tell you, my dearest children, that this matter of Who You Are, and Who You Choose To Be, is of great importance. Not only because it sets the tone of your experience, but because it creates the nature of mine. All of your life you have been told that God created you. I come now to tell you this: You are creating God. That is a massive rearrangement of your understanding I know. And yet it is a necessary one if you are to go about the true work for which you came. This is holy work we are up to, you and I. This is sacred ground We walk. This is The Path.'' ''The human race has no chance to lift itself from its own lowest thoughts until you lift yourself to your own highest ideas. Those ideas, expressed through you, as you, create the template, set the stage, serve as a model for the next level of human experience. You are the life and the way. The world will follow you. You are not at choice in this matter. It is the only matter in which you have no free choice. It is simple the way it is. Your world will follow your idea about yourself . Ever it has been, ever it will. First comes your thought about yourself, then follows the outer world of physical manifestation. What you think, you create. What you create, you become. What you become, you express. What you express, you experience. What you experience, you are. What you are, you think. The circle is complete.'' ''You are defining God. I have sent you - a blessed part of Me - into physical form that I might know Myself experientially as all that I know Myself to be conceptually. Life exists as a tool for God to turn concept into experience. It exists for you to do the same. For you are God, doing this. I choose to re-create Myself anew in every single moment. I choose to experience the grandest version of the grandest vision ever I had about Who I Am. I have created you, so that you might re-create Me. This is our holy work. This is our very reason for being.'' What a nightmare!  |
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Post by andrew on Feb 5, 2012 9:18:51 GMT -5
I read this earlier and thought of this subject. From Neale Donald Walsch's ''Conversations with God 3'' God - '' I want to tell you, my dearest children, that this matter of Who You Are, and Who You Choose To Be, is of great importance. Not only because it sets the tone of your experience, but because it creates the nature of mine. All of your life you have been told that God created you. I come now to tell you this: You are creating God. That is a massive rearrangement of your understanding I know. And yet it is a necessary one if you are to go about the true work for which you came. This is holy work we are up to, you and I. This is sacred ground We walk. This is The Path.'' ''The human race has no chance to lift itself from its own lowest thoughts until you lift yourself to your own highest ideas. Those ideas, expressed through you, as you, create the template, set the stage, serve as a model for the next level of human experience. You are the life and the way. The world will follow you. You are not at choice in this matter. It is the only matter in which you have no free choice. It is simple the way it is. Your world will follow your idea about yourself . Ever it has been, ever it will. First comes your thought about yourself, then follows the outer world of physical manifestation. What you think, you create. What you create, you become. What you become, you express. What you express, you experience. What you experience, you are. What you are, you think. The circle is complete.'' ''You are defining God. I have sent you - a blessed part of Me - into physical form that I might know Myself experientially as all that I know Myself to be conceptually. Life exists as a tool for God to turn concept into experience. It exists for you to do the same. For you are God, doing this. I choose to re-create Myself anew in every single moment. I choose to experience the grandest version of the grandest vision ever I had about Who I Am. I have created you, so that you might re-create Me. This is our holy work. This is our very reason for being.'' What a nightmare! I think that depends on our point of view! |
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Post by Portto on Feb 5, 2012 9:22:03 GMT -5
Thoughts are easiest to manifest.
The only problem is that if one looks closely, there's no specific thingy that is manifesting them.
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Post by andrew on Feb 5, 2012 9:31:51 GMT -5
Thoughts are easiest to manifest. The only problem is that if one looks closely, there's no specific thingy that is manifesting them. Again, that depends on the point of view. I can see that there is no individual creator and I can see that there is. I find it easiest and preferable these days more often than not to run with the idea that there is. I get better experiential results. More joy, more clarity, more peace, more ease. In a way, there are only points of view, or different ways to see. We cant switch off having a point of view and we cant switch off seeing. Something is always happening. Bandwagons are always being jumped on. We cant get out of the river (though we can create the illusion that we can). The relevant question then is, what point of view or way of seeing is going to get best experiential results. |
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Post by Portto on Feb 5, 2012 9:39:37 GMT -5
Yes, we can see many things. So many toys...
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Post by andrew on Feb 5, 2012 9:42:38 GMT -5
Yes, we can see many things. So many toys... Are toys not inevitable? I mean, experiencing is happening isnt it? |
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Post by Portto on Feb 5, 2012 9:50:27 GMT -5
Life is happening.
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Post by andrew on Feb 5, 2012 9:58:56 GMT -5
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Post by andrew on Feb 5, 2012 10:20:58 GMT -5
More thoughts Portto on what you said.
We are not in any way separate from that happening. It is not a 'life is happening' to us'. We do not exist as a prior observer of 'life happening'. We are life itself, recreating itself anew in each moment. Life Life-ing.
What I am seeing is that you like to see 'life happening' as if from a distance. Is that right? There is nothing wrong with that, its a particular way of seeing. However, it is delusion if you think that this particular way of seeing is uncreative and is prior to the process of creation unfolding. It is delusion if you think you are neutrally and objectively witnessing life unfolding. It is delusion if you think that 'you' are in any way existing as prior to the unfolding of creation. Your particular way of seeing IS creative and IS creating in each momentless moment. Your particular way of seeing is contributing. For as long as choices are being made and experiencing is happening, you are responsible. As am I.
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