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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:36:11 GMT -5
"But it seems a lot of enlightenment teachers teach manifestation, wealth, and creation."
Name one.
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 12:37:10 GMT -5
I doubt you will manifest something that your heart is not in alignment with. I went through a phase of trying to manifest money several years back and then I realized that I dont give a flying f*** about money, so there was no point. Manifesting is good in that way i.e. it helps us to get really clear about what we truly value and desire, and in my opinion, thats important for someone on the enlightenment path. Seems to me sometimes that you are a bit of an angel in disguise, but you do like to keep it VERY disguised hehe. The fact that you sense that you create on a more global scale is telling. You have the potential for a great life, REALLY great (we all do), but it would help a lot to get clear about what that would look like for you (who you would be, the kind of experience you would be having, the sort of work you would do, the quality of your relationships etc). It seems to me that sometimes you begin to do this but then you lose your sincerity and make a joke. I think its worth doing with sincerity, but that can take courage because it means looking within honestly at our ambitions and dreams, and that can hurt a bit sometimes, and even be a bit frightening. Still, its probably not very frightening compared to some of the stuff you have been visualizing lately!  |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 12:39:34 GMT -5
"But it seems a lot of enlightenment teachers teach manifestation, wealth, and creation." Name one. I just watched a Tolle video a couple of days ago, the subject was 'manifesting abundance'. Lester Levenson also taught manifestation. Even Byron Katie has spoken about the connection between her work and manifestation work. I could name others, but they probably dont fit your enlightenment criteria. |
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Post by enigma on Feb 4, 2012 12:47:34 GMT -5
"But it seems a lot of enlightenment teachers teach manifestation, wealth, and creation." Name one. I just watched a Tolle video a couple of days ago, the subject was 'manifesting abundance'. Lester Levenson also taught manifestation. Even Byron Katie has spoken about the connection between her work and manifestation work. I could name others, but they probably dont fit your enlightenment criteria. Tolle teaches how to manifest wealth??  |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 12:58:12 GMT -5
I just watched a Tolle video a couple of days ago, the subject was 'manifesting abundance'. Lester Levenson also taught manifestation. Even Byron Katie has spoken about the connection between her work and manifestation work. I could name others, but they probably dont fit your enlightenment criteria. Tolle teaches how to manifest wealth?? Im not sure if you are using 'wealth' there to mean money or abundance. Tolle didnt talk about manifesting 'stuff'. The best manifestation teachers arent into 'stuff' as such. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 13:09:39 GMT -5
What about self-sufficiency? What about personal responsibility? I would say that both those ideas are inherent to manifesting. You wouldnt be doing it if you didnt have an interest in being personally responsible and self-sufficient. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 4, 2012 14:00:42 GMT -5
I doubt you will manifest something that your heart is not in alignment with. I went through a phase of trying to manifest money several years back and then I realized that I dont give a flying f*** about money, so there was no point. Manifesting is good in that way i.e. it helps us to get really clear about what we truly value and desire, and in my opinion, thats important for someone on the enlightenment path. For some time, I've wondered about the parallels between 'manifesting' and 'awakening' (I don't like to use the term 'enlightenment', sorry). But I've only merely wondered. It was, after all, books like The Secret, and The Master Key System that furthered my interest in non-dual principles. I know that's odd, but there does seem to be some overlaps, somewhere, somehow, that I simply can't explain. In my experience, the overlaps seem to rest in a sense of creation. 'What we want' can be these ... superficial desires, apparently centered on the 'me'; however, more deeply, there seems to be some sort of ... creative awareness that isn't explained by the words, 'want' or 'desire'. And so, I wonder if there isn't an understanding there, that one can have that deeper 'desire', while at the same time being in full acceptance of what is. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 14:32:58 GMT -5
I doubt you will manifest something that your heart is not in alignment with. I went through a phase of trying to manifest money several years back and then I realized that I dont give a flying f*** about money, so there was no point. Manifesting is good in that way i.e. it helps us to get really clear about what we truly value and desire, and in my opinion, thats important for someone on the enlightenment path. For some time, I've wondered about the parallels between 'manifesting' and 'awakening' (I don't like to use the term 'enlightenment', sorry). But I've only merely wondered. It was, after all, books like The Secret, and The Master Key System that furthered my interest in non-dual principles. I know that's odd, but there does seem to be some overlaps, somewhere, somehow, that I simply can't explain. In my experience, the overlaps seem to rest in a sense of creation. 'What we want' can be these ... superficial desires, apparently centered on the 'me'; however, more deeply, there seems to be some sort of ... creative awareness that isn't explained by the words, 'want' or 'desire'. And so, I wonder if there isn't an understanding there, that one can have that deeper 'desire', while at the same time being in full acceptance of what is. Yes, I also think there is an overlap and I agree its tricky to put into words, but I resonate with what you are hinting/hedging at here. I would say that both paradigms are pointing away from object consciousness in their own ways, and in pointing away from object consciousness they are pointing TO 'relationship consciousness'. To try and expand on that a bit, I think they are both saying that its not the 'stuff' (or the objects) that makes us happy, its the quality of our relationship with Life/Source/Self that makes us happy (and actually, we are not separate from that). And this relationship is expressed THROUGH the form (it cannot be expressed any other way) The words 'want' and 'desire' are problematic in the non-dual- paradigm as you have said, but I also think there is something 'there' that is pulling or propelling us forward. It is the unfolding of creation and the creative movement and we are fully immersed in that movement. This pulling us/propelling us forward could be called 'desire' or 'want' but perhaps we could also describe it as an innate and inherent impulse to create or express what we are as Source energy. I think we are at peace when we are surrendered to this impulse and when we are in acceptance of the 'what is-ness' of this creative impulse. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 14:33:18 GMT -5
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 15:10:05 GMT -5
I didn't get to see the video yet. Seems to me we are little creation machines. Even these words are my seemingly individual wave function. Can I create anything concrete consciously? how? $2,000 seemed a reasonable test amount. I picked money as a "concrete" object as it is a relatively neutral calibrating under Hawkins scale (i.e. 205 loc.). We could use anything. Would creating something weaken the egos belief in separation? Creating machines...haha....yes, its not very romantic, but yes. From a manifesting point of view we are always creating, and I think consciously creating something could either strengthen or weaken the ego belief in separation. If you manifested a joyful relationship with Source/Self/Life, then that would weaken the ego belief in separation by definition! I dont think the test is a good one, but its up to you. I think you would be better off being more ambitious and connecting with your hearts highest desires and then applying some of the tools from 'Ask and it is Given' by Abraham-Hicks. In the end with these tools, they can be used to good ends or bad ends. I have heard that the illuminati use 'spiritual' tools and I was just reading the other day that people in the military are often trained how to use psychic ability for warfare purposes. The tools can also be used to manifest a peaceful planet and loving relationships. |
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Post by Beingist on Feb 4, 2012 15:22:26 GMT -5
I was just reading the other day that people in the military are often trained how to use psychic ability for warfare purposes. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 15:31:35 GMT -5
I was just reading the other day that people in the military are often trained how to use psychic ability for warfare purposes. haha cool clip. Ive never seen that movie but remember being interested in seeing it when it came out. |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 15:48:51 GMT -5
Creating machines...haha....yes, its not very romantic, but yes. From a manifesting point of view we are always creating, and I think think consciously creating something could either strengthen or weaken the ego belief in separation. If you manifested a joyful relationship with Source/Self/Life, then that would weaken the ego belief in separation by definition! I dont think the test is a good one, but its up to you. I think you would be better off being more ambitious and connecting with your hearts highest desires and then applying some of the tools from 'Ask and it is Given' by Abraham-Hicks. You seem to be thinking of what is "being" created comes from our being whatever "we are." I agree. What I am concerned with here is consciously creating as a aspect of out nature. In other words having the quality of conscious creation. If say your creation method was faith in "ask and it is given" then that would be your method of expressing conscious creation. Conscious creation as a biofeedback method to increase faith? How? Im not quite clear what you are asking me FJ, can you clarify please? Over the years I have cultivated faith/trust in the principle of 'ask and it is given', and for me, this state of faith/trust is an end in itself i.e. this state of faith/trust IS the goal, and paradoxically I have used the manifesting tools to manifest this state of faith/trust. Some people manifest money, I have manifested a relatively consistent state of faith/trust. Its a work in progress though (and I also have other interests). The way I have done it was through connecting with my ambition and representing in my mind/imagination my highest heart felt dreams. A big part of my path has been releasing my attachments TO the representations. Things have been working out, but not quite in the way I expected, because the representations are just that - representations. I still represent stuff in my imagination (for example a world of peace) but I am less attached these days to things working out exactly in the way they are represented. The representations are more like....signposts that move me in the desired direction.. Dont get me wrong though, they are not wishy washy, they are very clear and the feeling that comes with them is very clear. I think the tricky bit is having clear and specific goals yet without needing to force them to manifest. |
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Post by desertrat on Feb 4, 2012 16:12:46 GMT -5
There are some good methods in this book www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0-87542-183-0 What I found with my self was a lot of repressed stuff , that I am letting go of . I think for this to really to work you need to reach a certain level of develoment any way . We all create our own reality , good and bad , we do it unconsciociously .To quote another author , life is an experement in insanity conducted by man scientists that ignore the given result . desert rat |
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Post by andrew on Feb 4, 2012 16:14:39 GMT -5
There are some good methods in this book www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=0-87542-183-0 What I found with my self was a lot of repressed stuff , that I am letting go of . I think for this to really to work you need to reach a certain level of develoment any way . We all create our own reality , good and bad , we do it unconsciociously .To quote another author , life is an experement in insanity conducted by man scientists that ignore the given result . desert rat That resonates with me. |
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