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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 15:19:10 GMT -5
I vibrate with that. All this talk of having to plan for future peeing and zipping, and the problem of having a preference to pee and zip is the mental policing of stuff that nobody needs to mind. I worried Marie a bit the other day when I went to make a pot of coffee and realized I had already made it. It wasn't Alzheimers so much as 'not minding' when I did it the first time. Intentions happens, actions happen, and then it's gone forever. The next 'preference' happens, doing is done, and it's gone. 'Minding happens' unless it doesn't. That's why you need to get some students. You can subtly train them to be your assistants and remember important dates for you ;D. I've been trying to 'train' Marie to tell me what to do next, but she's not cooperating at all. ;D |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 15:29:35 GMT -5
Quantum leap was a good show. Andrew, I don't mean this in a mocking way but it seems like you just get lost in this enormous amount of deep analysis of everything to such a degree that what's actually going on right now can be totally avoided at all costs. That's basically how I see it too. NMI (No mocking intended) Its quite rare for me to dig around in old threads, but I read this, and what sprang to mind is something you said to me last week... ''I think what I resonate with is your spiritual incorrectness, a direct looking at your own experience and asking, as I say, what in blazes is actually going on here, rather than deferring to what anyone else says. One of the effects of such an approach (which we both do) is the absence of a clear, shared language, which makes communication challenging at times. It just is what it is. '' |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 15:39:15 GMT -5
I vibrate with that. All this talk of having to plan for future peeing and zipping, and the problem of having a preference to pee and zip is the mental policing of stuff that nobody needs to mind. I worried Marie a bit the other day when I went to make a pot of coffee and realized I had already made it. It wasn't Alzheimers so much as 'not minding' when I did it the first time. Intentions happens, actions happen, and then it's gone forever. The next 'preference' happens, doing is done, and it's gone. 'Minding happens' unless it doesn't. Thats what Im saying actually, though your first paragraph is a bit of typical Enigma strawman because I didnt actually say we plan to pee and zip up. The distinction escapes me, akshuly, but I understand distinctions are your thang. Something I notice is that the more you focus on non-attachment the more attached you seem to become. The more you focus on not knowing, the more you seem to know. The more you focus on the impersonal, the more personal it becomes. There might be a clue in that somewhere. Pretty soon it looks like folks are building straw men all over the place and mocking and refusing to listen and everybody seems to have fallen into the exact traps that you managed to crawl out of. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 15:41:36 GMT -5
Thats what Im saying actually, though your first paragraph is a bit of typical Enigma strawman because I didnt actually say we plan to pee and zip up. The distinction escapes me, akshuly, but I understand distinctions are your thang. Something I notice is that the more you focus on non-attachment the more attached you seem to become. The more you focus on not knowing, the more you seem to know. The more you focus on the impersonal, the more personal it becomes. There might be a clue in that somewhere. Pretty soon it looks like folks are building straw men all over the place and mocking and refusing to listen and everybody seems to have fallen into the exact traps that you managed to crawl out of. Nah, you are just a bit of a straw man specialist and have a habit of mocking when you are being shown something you dont like. Planning is very rational. We dont often use that rationality when it comes to peeing, normally we just feel the urge and then take action soon after. We might plan on what to buy from the grocery store though. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 15:53:21 GMT -5
I vibrate with that. All this talk of having to plan for future peeing and zipping, and the problem of having a preference to pee and zip is the mental policing of stuff that nobody needs to mind. I worried Marie a bit the other day when I went to make a pot of coffee and realized I had already made it. It wasn't Alzheimers so much as 'not minding' when I did it the first time. Intentions happens, actions happen, and then it's gone forever. The next 'preference' happens, doing is done, and it's gone. 'Minding happens' unless it doesn't. Haha, that's funny, not minding while your doing stuff. It makes me think that you weren't even there, the first time you made the coffee. Meaning no thought of 'someone' making coffee, just coffee being made. Maybe next time you want coffee, check to see if Life already made it for you. Wonderful  Zakly, you never know what life may have done for you while you were absent. Hehe. Ironically, I used to use making coffee as an example of something you don't need to use mind for, mostly because it's routine and the body already has it down, which makes it effortless, and that effortlessness can be noticed. However, I'm finding it's useful to register that it happened. ;D |
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Post by silence on Jan 25, 2012 15:56:44 GMT -5
Quantum leap was a good show. Andrew, I don't mean this in a mocking way but it seems like you just get lost in this enormous amount of deep analysis of everything to such a degree that what's actually going on right now can be totally avoided at all costs. Well....I'm not really sure what you mean by 'whats going on right now'. I would say that in in a sense I AM avoiding a whole bunch of stuff, but by the same token, I cant see the point in eating brussels sprouts and chocolate at the same time just because I CAN eat them at the same time. Do you see what I mean? 'Whats going on right now' is a subjective thing so is infinite in its possibilities. I am relatively deliberate and conscious in what I select to experience. And paradoxically, I am able to be quite deliberate BECAUSE I have released a fair amount of attachment. I am quite clear what my values are and live those values pretty congruently. I dont value anger, guilt, misery and fear very highly these days. I prefer joy and peace and lightness and ease. Andrew, you're in imagination land. None of this is actually necessary to step out the door and live. It's certainly your prerogative if you want to perceive life as a big complicated puzzle with paradoxes around every corner but you're totally deluding yourself if you think that's the road to joy, peace and lightness and ease. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 15:57:14 GMT -5
Quantum leap was a good show. Andrew, I don't mean this in a mocking way but it seems like you just get lost in this enormous amount of deep analysis of everything to such a degree that what's actually going on right now can be totally avoided at all costs. I am quite clear what my values are and live those values pretty congruently. I dont value anger, guilt, misery and fear very highly these days. I prefer joy and peace and lightness and ease. Wow, that's progress. Congratulations. ;D |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 16:00:46 GMT -5
Well....I'm not really sure what you mean by 'whats going on right now'. I would say that in in a sense I AM avoiding a whole bunch of stuff, but by the same token, I cant see the point in eating brussels sprouts and chocolate at the same time just because I CAN eat them at the same time. Do you see what I mean? 'Whats going on right now' is a subjective thing so is infinite in its possibilities. I am relatively deliberate and conscious in what I select to experience. And paradoxically, I am able to be quite deliberate BECAUSE I have released a fair amount of attachment. I am quite clear what my values are and live those values pretty congruently. I dont value anger, guilt, misery and fear very highly these days. I prefer joy and peace and lightness and ease. Andrew, you're in imagination land. None of this is actually necessary to step out the door and live. It's certainly your prerogative if you want to perceive life as a big complicated puzzle with paradoxes around every corner but you're totally deluding yourself if you think that's the road to joy, peace and lightness and ease. Im really struggling to work out how to respond to this, because I cant see the connection between what I said and this. In a way I am in imagination land because I dont experience myself as separate from mind-ing. Or to put another way, the universe is imaginary, and I dont experience a separation between myself and the imaginary universe. I already said that I select joy, peace, lightness and ease pretty consistently so the road I have taken has been okay. What do you mean by 'step out the door and live'? In the last 4 years I have travelled to over 30 different countries, met a woman on the internet, got married and now have 2 kids. The living has been intense! Or do you mean something else? |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 16:02:18 GMT -5
That's basically how I see it too. NMI (No mocking intended) Its quite rare for me to dig around in old threads, but I read this, and what sprang to mind is something you said to me last week... ''I think what I resonate with is your spiritual incorrectness, a direct looking at your own experience and asking, as I say, what in blazes is actually going on here, rather than deferring to what anyone else says. One of the effects of such an approach (which we both do) is the absence of a clear, shared language, which makes communication challenging at times. It just is what it is. '' Not sure what your point is, but spiritual incorrectness is one thing, extreme mind skipping is another. |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 25, 2012 16:06:42 GMT -5
[...] it is a preference to zip up after peeing. ... I'm not even gonna ask ... |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 16:14:39 GMT -5
The distinction escapes me, akshuly, but I understand distinctions are your thang. Something I notice is that the more you focus on non-attachment the more attached you seem to become. The more you focus on not knowing, the more you seem to know. The more you focus on the impersonal, the more personal it becomes. There might be a clue in that somewhere. Pretty soon it looks like folks are building straw men all over the place and mocking and refusing to listen and everybody seems to have fallen into the exact traps that you managed to crawl out of. Nah, you are just a bit of a straw man specialist and have a habit of mocking when you are being shown something you dont like. Or it could be that when I disagree with you, you look for a reason to make me wrong because it can't possibly be because I have a valid point, and it could be that seeing me as defensive makes you feel better about being mocked. But if your intention were to pee at the grocery store, then it looks like a rational plan. If you get ready to go to the grocery store and intend pee just before you go, then we have to organize a committee to determine if that qualifies as rational planning. The point is all the conceptual bifurcation is insane. |
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Post by Beingist on Jan 25, 2012 16:19:24 GMT -5
But if your intention were to pee at the grocery store, then it looks like a rational plan. If you get ready to go to the grocery store and intend pee just before you go, then we have to organize a committee to determine if that qualifies as rational planning. The point is all the conceptual bifurcation is insane. Sounds like an interesting title for a book: The Inherent Insanity of the Conceptual Bifurcation of Peeing. ;D |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 16:19:48 GMT -5
Its quite rare for me to dig around in old threads, but I read this, and what sprang to mind is something you said to me last week... ''I think what I resonate with is your spiritual incorrectness, a direct looking at your own experience and asking, as I say, what in blazes is actually going on here, rather than deferring to what anyone else says. One of the effects of such an approach (which we both do) is the absence of a clear, shared language, which makes communication challenging at times. It just is what it is. '' Not sure what your point is, but spiritual incorrectness is one thing, extreme mind skipping is another. My point is that you agreed with Silence yet just the other week said something that somewhat contradicts that agreeing. Not saying you cant change your mind though. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 16:25:13 GMT -5
Nah, you are just a bit of a straw man specialist and have a habit of mocking when you are being shown something you dont like. Or it could be that when I disagree with you, you look for a reason to make me wrong because it can't possibly be because I have a valid point, and it could be that seeing me as defensive makes you feel better about being mocked. But if your intention were to pee at the grocery store, then it looks like a rational plan. If you get ready to go to the grocery store and intend pee just before you go, then we have to organize a committee to determine if that qualifies as rational planning. The point is all the conceptual bifurcation is insane. I have seen you accused of mockery and straw men for a couple of years. Its just a habit you have. If I was walking to the store and needed to go pee suddenly then I might plan on going at the store. A lot of the time there is no plan, we feel the urge and then decide to go to the nearest bathroom. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 16:25:56 GMT -5
[...] it is a preference to zip up after peeing. ... I'm not even gonna ask ... Well, the other option is to just let it all hang out hehe. |
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