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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 13:52:18 GMT -5
Because looking to the future happens in the Now. When we decide to have an ice-cream we are looking to the future. When we decide to get out of bed we are looking to the future. Its no big deal. We are beings that intend and plan and look to the future. We are creative beings. Its the ATTACHMENT to the outcomes that creates the difficulty and which takes our attention directly into thought. Time is an illusion of the mind, but mind-ing happens. Sorry, I'm not relating to this. When we decide to have an ice cream, we are deciding now. I don't know if I'll decide to have an ice cream next Thursday. When we (or, at least, I), decide to get out of bed in the morning, I'm not really thinking of the future. I usually need to go pee, and that means going pee now. While I'm peeing, I'm usually simply wondering what day it is, whether I need to go to work, etc. The minute I start planning my day according to preferences, I know I'm setting myself up for trouble. "The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray". This is not to say that I don't think. But, really, I've been through too much, in terms of negative experiences, to be regularly planning stuff. We decide to have an ice cream IN the Now, but we dont have it in the very moment that it is decided. Action follows thought/intention, the action doesnt happen at the same time as the thought/intention. Its the same when you get out of bed. You are lying there, notice that you need a pee and decide to get out of bed. Then you get out of bed. You notice when you finish peeing, decide to zip up your pants, and then zip up your pants. The action follows the thought. Plans also arent a problem, we can plan to go on vacation. Its the attachment to the plan that causes problems. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Jan 25, 2012 13:58:58 GMT -5
go andrew!!
Yeah I'd have to agree that planning in the now isn't a problem as long as you hold no expectation that what you are planning will actually occur. In fact that's partly what makes life so exciting is seeing if the minds little plans actually come to fruition.
I gotta pee. Ahhhhhhhh. Sweeeeet.
I gotta pee. AHHHHHH!! Someone is in the bathroom. Sweeeeeet.
No attachment = nothing but sweeeeeeet.
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Post by Beingist on Jan 25, 2012 14:00:01 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not relating to this. When we decide to have an ice cream, we are deciding now. I don't know if I'll decide to have an ice cream next Thursday. When we (or, at least, I), decide to get out of bed in the morning, I'm not really thinking of the future. I usually need to go pee, and that means going pee now. While I'm peeing, I'm usually simply wondering what day it is, whether I need to go to work, etc. The minute I start planning my day according to preferences, I know I'm setting myself up for trouble. "The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray". This is not to say that I don't think. But, really, I've been through too much, in terms of negative experiences, to be regularly planning stuff. We decide to have an ice cream IN the Now, but we dont have it in the very moment that it is decided. Action follows thought/intention, the action doesnt happen at the same time as the thought/intention. Its the same when you get out of bed. You are lying there, notice that you need a pee and decide to get out of bed. Then you get out of bed. You notice when you finish peeing, decide to zip up your pants, and then zip up your pants. The action follows the thought. Plans also arent a problem, we can plan to go on vacation. Its the attachment to the plan that causes problems. I understand, but you talk about preferences, which indicates an attachment, and that's where you befuddle me. I'll shut up, now. |
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Post by silence on Jan 25, 2012 14:01:51 GMT -5
Sorry, I'm not relating to this. When we decide to have an ice cream, we are deciding now. I don't know if I'll decide to have an ice cream next Thursday. When we (or, at least, I), decide to get out of bed in the morning, I'm not really thinking of the future. I usually need to go pee, and that means going pee now. While I'm peeing, I'm usually simply wondering what day it is, whether I need to go to work, etc. The minute I start planning my day according to preferences, I know I'm setting myself up for trouble. "The best laid plans of mice and men, often go astray". This is not to say that I don't think. But, really, I've been through too much, in terms of negative experiences, to be regularly planning stuff. We decide to have an ice cream IN the Now, but we dont have it in the very moment that it is decided. Action follows thought/intention, the action doesnt happen at the same time as the thought/intention. Its the same when you get out of bed. You are lying there, notice that you need a pee and decide to get out of bed. Then you get out of bed. You notice when you finish peeing, decide to zip up your pants, and then zip up your pants. The action follows the thought. Plans also arent a problem, we can plan to go on vacation. Its the attachment to the plan that causes problems. You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Jan 25, 2012 14:03:43 GMT -5
We decide to have an ice cream IN the Now, but we dont have it in the very moment that it is decided. Action follows thought/intention, the action doesnt happen at the same time as the thought/intention. Its the same when you get out of bed. You are lying there, notice that you need a pee and decide to get out of bed. Then you get out of bed. You notice when you finish peeing, decide to zip up your pants, and then zip up your pants. The action follows the thought. Plans also arent a problem, we can plan to go on vacation. Its the attachment to the plan that causes problems. You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. Stop trying to muddy the waters. They just got clear.  |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 14:11:25 GMT -5
We decide to have an ice cream IN the Now, but we dont have it in the very moment that it is decided. Action follows thought/intention, the action doesnt happen at the same time as the thought/intention. Its the same when you get out of bed. You are lying there, notice that you need a pee and decide to get out of bed. Then you get out of bed. You notice when you finish peeing, decide to zip up your pants, and then zip up your pants. The action follows the thought. Plans also arent a problem, we can plan to go on vacation. Its the attachment to the plan that causes problems. I understand, but you talk about preferences, which indicates an attachment, and that's where you befuddle me. I'll shut up, now. I kind of think I understand where you are coming from because I used to associate preference with attachment too. Its to do with this troublesome concept of the 'Now'. The mind takes that word and thinks it has something to do with time. It doesnt. The Now is more like the spaceless space/timeless time in which experiencing happens, and in this reality our experience is one of linear time. So the enlightened wear watches and may well still run for an airplane if they are running late, rather than miss it. They will also compare their current experience with their experience in the past. Time is an illusion, but its an illusion that is part of our experience. What we can do is release attachment, and then our experience of linear time becomes much easier, much looser, more playful. When the mind gets hold of the 'Now' concept what happens is that we think that we should somehow never think about the future or the past. We think that we shouldnt intend or plan or even THINK. I cant tell you how much effort I put into not thinking and not intending and not planning. It drove me a bit crazy in the end because mind-ing happens. The death gripping was an attachment in itself. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 14:16:50 GMT -5
We decide to have an ice cream IN the Now, but we dont have it in the very moment that it is decided. Action follows thought/intention, the action doesnt happen at the same time as the thought/intention. Its the same when you get out of bed. You are lying there, notice that you need a pee and decide to get out of bed. Then you get out of bed. You notice when you finish peeing, decide to zip up your pants, and then zip up your pants. The action follows the thought. Plans also arent a problem, we can plan to go on vacation. Its the attachment to the plan that causes problems. You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. They is a subtle level of thought, yes. There is a preference to get out of bed and then the action is taken. There is a preference to zip up and then the action is taken. In this reality in which linear time is experienced, there is a gap experienced between intention and manifestation. If you are interested in a reality in which the manifestation happens in exactly the same moment as the intention (or mind movement), then you are talking about a quantum reality. In our reality, action taken follows thought. You dont have the thought to get some money out of the cash machine and in the moment of the thought the cash is in your hand do you? |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 14:17:41 GMT -5
go andrew!! Yeah I'd have to agree that planning in the now isn't a problem as long as you hold no expectation that what you are planning will actually occur. In fact that's partly what makes life so exciting is seeing if the minds little plans actually come to fruition. I gotta pee. Ahhhhhhhh. Sweeeeet. I gotta pee. AHHHHHH!! Someone is in the bathroom. Sweeeeeet. No attachment = nothing but sweeeeeeet. Yep, thats it  |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 14:32:47 GMT -5
We decide to have an ice cream IN the Now, but we dont have it in the very moment that it is decided. Action follows thought/intention, the action doesnt happen at the same time as the thought/intention. Its the same when you get out of bed. You are lying there, notice that you need a pee and decide to get out of bed. Then you get out of bed. You notice when you finish peeing, decide to zip up your pants, and then zip up your pants. The action follows the thought. Plans also arent a problem, we can plan to go on vacation. Its the attachment to the plan that causes problems. You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. I vibrate with that. All this talk of having to plan for future peeing and zipping, and the problem of having a preference to pee and zip is the mental policing of stuff that nobody needs to mind. I worried Marie a bit the other day when I went to make a pot of coffee and realized I had already made it. It wasn't Alzheimers so much as 'not minding' when I did it the first time. Intentions happens, actions happen, and then it's gone forever. The next 'preference' happens, doing is done, and it's gone. 'Minding happens' unless it doesn't. |
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Post by silence on Jan 25, 2012 14:35:34 GMT -5
You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. They is a subtle level of thought, yes. There is a preference to get out of bed and then the action is taken. There is a preference to zip up and then the action is taken. In this reality in which linear time is experienced, there is a gap experienced between intention and manifestation. If you are interested in a reality in which the manifestation happens in exactly the same moment as the intention (or mind movement), then you are talking about a quantum reality. In this reality, action taken follows thought. You dont have the thought to get some money out of the cash machine and in the moment of the thought the cash is in your hand do you? Quantum leap was a good show. Andrew, I don't mean this in a mocking way but it seems like you just get lost in this enormous amount of deep analysis of everything to such a degree that what's actually going on right now can be totally avoided at all costs. |
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Post by silence on Jan 25, 2012 14:42:02 GMT -5
You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. I vibrate with that. All this talk of having to plan for future peeing and zipping, and the problem of having a preference to pee and zip is the mental policing of stuff that nobody needs to mind. I worried Marie a bit the other day when I went to make a pot of coffee and realized I had already made it. It wasn't Alzheimers so much as 'not minding' when I did it the first time. Intentions happens, actions happen, and then it's gone forever. The next 'preference' happens, doing is done, and it's gone. 'Minding happens' unless it doesn't. That's why you need to get some students. You can subtly train them to be your assistants and remember important dates for you ;D. |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 14:42:11 GMT -5
You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. I vibrate with that. All this talk of having to plan for future peeing and zipping, and the problem of having a preference to pee and zip is the mental policing of stuff that nobody needs to mind. I worried Marie a bit the other day when I went to make a pot of coffee and realized I had already made it. It wasn't Alzheimers so much as 'not minding' when I did it the first time. Intentions happens, actions happen, and then it's gone forever. The next 'preference' happens, doing is done, and it's gone. 'Minding happens' unless it doesn't. Thats what Im saying actually, though your first paragraph is a bit of typical Enigma strawman because I didnt actually say we plan to pee and zip up. We are beings that experience attraction and aversion and experiencing this duality is part of being human at this time. Its because of this that we consciously experience preferences. It is a preference to get out of bed, and it is a preference to zip up after peeing. |
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Post by therealfake on Jan 25, 2012 14:45:56 GMT -5
You have to decide to get out of bed and decide to zip up? The thoughts can either be there or not. Usually if we're having a thought about 'zip up now' it's just trying to grasp onto an illusory sense of control. Lots of extra layers that aren't actually needed. I vibrate with that. All this talk of having to plan for future peeing and zipping, and the problem of having a preference to pee and zip is the mental policing of stuff that nobody needs to mind. I worried Marie a bit the other day when I went to make a pot of coffee and realized I had already made it. It wasn't Alzheimers so much as 'not minding' when I did it the first time. Intentions happens, actions happen, and then it's gone forever. The next 'preference' happens, doing is done, and it's gone. 'Minding happens' unless it doesn't. Haha, that's funny, not minding while your doing stuff. It makes me think that you weren't even there, the first time you made the coffee. Meaning no thought of 'someone' making coffee, just coffee being made. Maybe next time you want coffee, check to see if Life already made it for you. Wonderful |
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Post by andrew on Jan 25, 2012 15:05:42 GMT -5
They is a subtle level of thought, yes. There is a preference to get out of bed and then the action is taken. There is a preference to zip up and then the action is taken. In this reality in which linear time is experienced, there is a gap experienced between intention and manifestation. If you are interested in a reality in which the manifestation happens in exactly the same moment as the intention (or mind movement), then you are talking about a quantum reality. In this reality, action taken follows thought. You dont have the thought to get some money out of the cash machine and in the moment of the thought the cash is in your hand do you? Quantum leap was a good show. Andrew, I don't mean this in a mocking way but it seems like you just get lost in this enormous amount of deep analysis of everything to such a degree that what's actually going on right now can be totally avoided at all costs. Well....I'm not really sure what you mean by 'whats going on right now'. I would say that in in a sense I AM avoiding a whole bunch of stuff, but by the same token, I cant see the point in eating brussels sprouts and chocolate at the same time just because I CAN eat them at the same time. Do you see what I mean? 'Whats going on right now' is a subjective thing so is infinite in its possibilities. I am relatively deliberate and conscious in what I select to experience. And paradoxically, I am able to be quite deliberate BECAUSE I have released a fair amount of attachment. I am quite clear what my values are and live those values pretty congruently. I dont value anger, guilt, misery and fear very highly these days. I prefer joy and peace and lightness and ease. |
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Post by enigma on Jan 25, 2012 15:15:40 GMT -5
They is a subtle level of thought, yes. There is a preference to get out of bed and then the action is taken. There is a preference to zip up and then the action is taken. In this reality in which linear time is experienced, there is a gap experienced between intention and manifestation. If you are interested in a reality in which the manifestation happens in exactly the same moment as the intention (or mind movement), then you are talking about a quantum reality. In this reality, action taken follows thought. You dont have the thought to get some money out of the cash machine and in the moment of the thought the cash is in your hand do you? Quantum leap was a good show. Andrew, I don't mean this in a mocking way but it seems like you just get lost in this enormous amount of deep analysis of everything to such a degree that what's actually going on right now can be totally avoided at all costs. That's basically how I see it too. NMI (No mocking intended) |
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