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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:13:56 GMT -5
Practically speaking, that depends on the person - it can be no distance at all for one person, or it can be a long way for another, because although the distance is illusionary it is experienced as actual. Creating an illusion that the distance is illusionary is an intermediate illusion in itself, though Im not sure that that its one I would recommend creating repeatedly with the intent of getting to heaven. I think there are better illusions to create to get 'there'. It looks like you love Russian dolls (the wooden ones). |
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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:15:11 GMT -5
And which one works better: taking away the food or continuing to eat between and during hypnosis sessions? You've lost me. There arent many people that I am in a position with to take away their food even if I thought that that would be a good thing to do. Ask them from the very beginning: do you want guaranteed results, or possible results? |
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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:16:10 GMT -5
Talking is when we imagine a red thingy going towards a green thingy. Cant you just give me a definition? Im sure you could get one off an online dictionary. I'm afraid of the red thingy. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2011 17:16:28 GMT -5
Practically speaking, that depends on the person - it can be no distance at all for one person, or it can be a long way for another, because although the distance is illusionary it is experienced as actual. Creating an illusion that the distance is illusionary is an intermediate illusion in itself, though Im not sure that that its one I would recommend creating repeatedly with the intent of getting to heaven. I think there are better illusions to create to get 'there'. It looks like you love Russian dolls (the wooden ones). I feel like you are leading me into the world of koans here! I dont know what dolls you mean....but the crocodile on the left hand side of the road with the orange hat wants his handbag back. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2011 17:17:20 GMT -5
You've lost me. There arent many people that I am in a position with to take away their food even if I thought that that would be a good thing to do. Ask them from the very beginning: do you want guaranteed results, or possible results? That might be something I asked, but it would depend on the person. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2011 17:20:36 GMT -5
Cant you just give me a definition? Im sure you could get one off an online dictionary. I'm afraid of the red thingy. Okay.....!  |
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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:21:04 GMT -5
It looks like you love Russian dolls (the wooden ones). I feel like you are leading me into the world of koans here! I dont know what dolls you mean....but the crocodile on the left hand side of the road with the orange hat wants his handbag back. Hehe, my post count exploded recently. Russian doll: - any of a set of hollow wooden figures, each of which splits in half to contain the next smallest figure, down to the smallest Also called matryoshka matrioshka |
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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:22:05 GMT -5
Ask them from the very beginning: do you want guaranteed results, or possible results? That might be something I asked, but it would depend on the person. Yes, and that person is Andrew. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2011 17:26:16 GMT -5
I feel like you are leading me into the world of koans here! I dont know what dolls you mean....but the crocodile on the left hand side of the road with the orange hat wants his handbag back. Hehe, my post count exploded recently. Russian doll: - any of a set of hollow wooden figures, each of which splits in half to contain the next smallest figure, down to the smallest Also called matryoshka matrioshka Okay, yes that kind of works. Reminds me of that metaphor I gave in which I talked of a stripping off of layers that get thinner and thinner. |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2011 17:28:28 GMT -5
That might be something I asked, but it would depend on the person. Yes, and that person is Andrew. If you are referring to projection, then I understand how projection works but I dont think about it much anymore. The only time I might consider it is if Im in a stinky mood and am projecting negativity. If someone comes to me with a problem, projecting isnt something I really think about. I just trust my feeling on how to handle it. As I said, not many people can go from creating a shit illusion to a joyful one, there tends to be intermediate illusions required. Take my Mum for example. In order to help her to create health I have to create the illusion that there is something wrong with her and that she has a problem. If I didnt do that I would have nothing to offer her at all. |
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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:30:16 GMT -5
Hehe, my post count exploded recently. Russian doll: - any of a set of hollow wooden figures, each of which splits in half to contain the next smallest figure, down to the smallest Also called matryoshka matrioshka Okay, yes that kind of works. Reminds me of that metaphor I gave in which I talked of a stripping off of layers that get thinner and thinner. Yes, like that. But sometimes it looks like you are adding layers/dolls. |
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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:35:40 GMT -5
Yes, and that person is Andrew. If you are referring to projection, then I understand how projection works but I dont think about it much anymore. The only time I might consider it is if Im in a stinky mood and am projecting negativity. If someone comes to me with a problem, projecting isnt something I really think about. I just trust my feeling on how to handle it. No, I'm not talking about projection, which is imaginary. Even using your approach - everything influences everything (infinite connections) - we can see that a projection is an imaginary half of a 'multidirectional whole.' |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2011 17:38:46 GMT -5
Okay, yes that kind of works. Reminds me of that metaphor I gave in which I talked of a stripping off of layers that get thinner and thinner. Yes, like that. But sometimes it looks like you are adding layers/dolls. Sometimes when someone is stuck and cant get rid of the next layer we might have to swap the stuck layer for a different one in order for release to happen. Its like building an imaginary bridge or creating imaginary stepping stones. We dont theoretically need these stepping stones or bridges, but practically most people do. |
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Post by Portto on Sept 23, 2011 17:39:19 GMT -5
Take my Mum for example. In order to help her to create health I have to create the illusion that there is something wrong with her and that she has a problem. If I didnt do that I would have nothing to offer her at all. You're right. Sometimes people really need to get busy. Good night, Andrew! |
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Post by andrew on Sept 23, 2011 17:39:40 GMT -5
If you are referring to projection, then I understand how projection works but I dont think about it much anymore. The only time I might consider it is if Im in a stinky mood and am projecting negativity. If someone comes to me with a problem, projecting isnt something I really think about. I just trust my feeling on how to handle it. No, I'm not talking about projection, which is imaginary. Even using your approach - everything influences everything (infinite connections) - we can see that a projection is an imaginary half of a 'multidirectional whole.' Well if you were not talking about projection Im not sure what you were talking about. |
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