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Post by ivory on Sept 6, 2011 21:46:25 GMT -5
I suspect the same.
The challenging comments arose from some of the stuff I've been dealing with. I find myself pissed off when people pretend to know stuff they don't. Or when people mislead others. Part of it is because I care, the other part is because I, myself, have been mislead.
I don't judge Tat, but I may speak my mind and call someone out if they're talking out their butt.
Maybe I care too much, I dunno.
(feel free to call me out E)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2011 22:02:12 GMT -5
Trusting yourself 100% means that you have to be the final arbiter of whatever advice or information you receive. got that goin on that makes sense. but i thought devotion to a guru was also a path. the guru could even be a nutball. but isn't that one of the 'paths' -- totally trusting someone else 100%. not my conditioned cup of tea, mind you. but it seems to have worked for some. oo oo that smell!  huh? I get the 360 degrees and THIS but not the nowhere to lay his head -- mebbe because its way past my bedtime and a pillow awaits upstairs. This pillow is where I lay my head. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2011 22:24:04 GMT -5
I suspect the same. The challenging comments arose from some of the stuff I've been dealing with. I find myself pissed off when people pretend to know stuff they don't. Or when people mislead others. Part of it is because I care, the other part is because I, myself, have been mislead. I don't judge Tat, but I may speak my mind and call someone out if they're talking out their butt. Maybe I care too much, I dunno. (feel free to call me out E) I don't have any issue with telling it like it is, which i just did meself on another thread. Hehe. I don't see judgment as the current imaginary obstacle on your imaginary path. (Don't know what it is, either) I just see Tat reacting to whoever challenges him. |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 6, 2011 23:01:59 GMT -5
Ha ha. Ich vergesse meine Deutch, aber dieses uber postes (?) sind sehr froelich (?) Nein, das ist nicht die richtig worten. Verdamnt! Heute abend ich bin viele bier getrinken, und ich bin jetzt eine dumkopft (sp). Ich muss zu schule nachste morgen gehen. (I know, I know. My German teacher would cringe at what I've tried to communcate here. It's probably indecipherable.)
Tat wrote: "the best advice?...you already know the answers...look inside yourself for all the answers, trust yourselves 100%, All the answers are already there inside you and you know this already, you may not trust yourself that this is true but it is true...."
Totally agree. For those who asked about this issue, remember, the cigarette-man and the crystal-rater got strongly attached to particular ideas, and they trusted those ideas 100%. They believed so strongly in their ideas that no one could shake them loose. This is not the same as trusting yourself. Who you ARE is infinite in time and space, and you can trust THAT. Ideas, however, are imaginary sneaky little things.
Teachers are only helpful because they can keep someone pointed in the right direction. They have usually experienced lots of pitfalls and deadends, but because they’ve penetrated most of the common illusions they can guide people who are still stuck in the hall of mirrors. It also helps to remember that teachers are human beings subject to all of the idiosyncrasies that go with that realm of existence (or non-existence, depending upon how its being looked at--LOL). IMO the best test for all teachers is the smell test. Are they honest? Do they exaggerate their accomplishments or abilities? Can they laugh at themselves? Do they need recognition? Do they want something from you? Do the words ring true? Do they require money, sex, worship, or agreement? If they don't pass the smell test, run like hell.
Max: Yes, trusting a guru 100% works for some people (Niz is a good example), but Americans aren’t usually drawn to that approach. We’re sort of individualistic do-it-yourselfers even if that means we screw up a lot along the way.
More about non-abidance later. Ciao.
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Post by ivory on Sept 7, 2011 0:46:23 GMT -5
I suspect the same. The challenging comments arose from some of the stuff I've been dealing with. I find myself pissed off when people pretend to know stuff they don't. Or when people mislead others. Part of it is because I care, the other part is because I, myself, have been mislead. I don't judge Tat, but I may speak my mind and call someone out if they're talking out their butt. Maybe I care too much, I dunno. (feel free to call me out E) I don't have any issue with telling it like it is, which i just did meself on another thread. Hehe. I don't see judgment as the current imaginary obstacle on your imaginary path. (Don't know what it is, either) I just see Tat reacting to whoever challenges him. Don't know what it is? Well that sucks, because I always value your input (even if it hurts). One of the things on my plate is that I never told it like it was. I was afraid to speak my mind, and I was always more of an introvert. These days, I know that most of the stuff that comes out of my mouth is complete BS (not knowing is a b*tch), but I'm tired of bottling up. Interesting dilemma. I suspect that I'll freak people out, piss them off, and hurt them from time to time. Or, maybe that's all in my head, and the only way to find out is to open up. For what it's worth, I have a lot of love in my heart, and I hope that I don't hurt or offend anyone with my words. At the same time, I dont' think that's always possible. In the next day or so I'm going to drop a big post and I hope that you'll have some feedback. |
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Post by acewall on Sept 7, 2011 1:42:16 GMT -5
looking forward to a shorter version of the BIGPOSTING you make in the next few days,
if you can manage to condence it! Otherwise,
I will just have to wade my way through it right?
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Post by ivory on Sept 7, 2011 1:58:31 GMT -5
A shorter version? You sayin' I talk too much  |
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Post by enigma on Sept 7, 2011 2:04:35 GMT -5
I don't have any issue with telling it like it is, which i just did meself on another thread. Hehe. I don't see judgment as the current imaginary obstacle on your imaginary path. (Don't know what it is, either) I just see Tat reacting to whoever challenges him. Don't know what it is? Well that sucks, because I always value your input (even if it hurts). One of the things on my plate is that I never told it like it was. I was afraid to speak my mind, and I was always more of an introvert. These days, I know that most of the stuff that comes out of my mouth is complete BS (not knowing is a b*tch), but I'm tired of bottling up. Interesting dilemma. I suspect that I'll freak people out, piss them off, and hurt them from time to time. Or, maybe that's all in my head, and the only way to find out is to open up. For what it's worth, I have a lot of love in my heart, and I hope that I don't hurt or offend anyone with my words. At the same time, I dont' think that's always possible. That resonates a lot betterer with me than the conclusion that you're dealing with some judgment issues. Cool.  |
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Post by runstill on Sept 7, 2011 2:37:42 GMT -5
Why do you see greatness or not greatness, truth or falsehood, and how do you decide which is which? I hold up my index finger in response my friend.  OHC, if that is the index finger on your none-clapping hand, does that mean your giving tat the enlightenment finger ;D hehe |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 6:04:27 GMT -5
how is the crystal waver waving his crystal helping you or hurting you? at this point, that story is helping me remember to use proper hygeine -- honesty, appreciating the reactions of others --- to avoid the stink. remember to wash. i can imagine a whole set of reasons he might be helping or hurting but i don't really want to. i find the story of the crystal waver helpful. someone else may not care about the story at all. just depends on what's going on on the inside. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2011 6:17:44 GMT -5
Max, one might appear to trust themselves, but if there is no self-honesty then it's just delusion. I think the self honesty, or questioning of one-self is the missing ingredient here. thanks that was a good spin, ivory. discerning the differences between trusting oneself and honesty. i don't trust myself to be totally honest with myself. In other words, the question 'are you being honest with yourself?' always needs to be asked. And if the answer is yes, don't trust it. |
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Post by question on Sept 7, 2011 7:29:15 GMT -5
Ha ha. Ich vergesse meine Deutch, aber dieses uber postes (?) sind sehr froelich (?) Nein, das ist nicht die richtig worten. Verd**nt! Heute abend ich bin viele bier getrinken, und ich bin jetzt eine dumkopft (sp). Ich muss zu schule nachste morgen gehen. (I know, I know. My German teacher would cringe at what I've tried to communcate here. It's probably indecipherable.) Bob, ich habe sofort verstanden was du geschrieben hast, also kann dein Deutsch nicht so schlecht sein wie du glaubst. Wenn du Deutschland besuchst lernst du bestimmt viel schneller als in der Schule.  |
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 7, 2011 8:24:16 GMT -5
I hold up my index finger in response my friend. OHC, if that is the index finger on your none-clapping hand, does that mean your giving tat the enlightenment finger ;D hehe I claim nothing of the sort.....but if calling it that gives the words/action traction for him at this time, then maybe he can call it that. hahaha. |
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Post by zendancer on Sept 7, 2011 8:53:14 GMT -5
Ha ha. Ich vergesse meine Deutch, aber dieses uber postes (?) sind sehr froelich (?) Nein, das ist nicht die richtig worten. Verd**nt! Heute abend ich bin viele bier getrinken, und ich bin jetzt eine dumkopft (sp). Ich muss zu schule nachste morgen gehen. (I know, I know. My German teacher would cringe at what I've tried to communcate here. It's probably indecipherable.) Bob, ich habe sofort verstanden was du geschrieben hast, also kann dein Deutsch nicht so schlecht sein wie du glaubst. Wenn du Deutschland besuchst lernst du bestimmt viel schneller als in der Schule. Wunderbar! Ich verstehe. Im sommer neuntzehn-hundert ein-und-sechzig ich wohnte im Freiburg im Breisgau fur twei monaten, und ich liebe grosse das land und leuten. Es war sehr schon! One of these days I'd love to return and spend more time there. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 7, 2011 17:40:17 GMT -5
the question 'are you being honest with yourself?' always needs to be asked. And if the answer is yes, don't trust it. Hehe. Keep asking till you get the right answer, I guess. ;D |
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huh? I get the 360 degrees and THIS but not the nowhere to lay his head -- mebbe because its way past my bedtime and a pillow awaits upstairs. This pillow is where I lay my head. 
