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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 6, 2011 16:35:38 GMT -5
Hmm don't know if that is possible right now. Gotta defend his no self til the bitter end. I was just brought the song "I will survive" to my mind. Fitting. Hahaha. You know my favorite answer that my father in law gives to many questions and koans that he is asked is to hold up one finger and say nothing. I can't help but hold up one digital finger right now in response to some of the questions asked. |
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 6, 2011 16:40:02 GMT -5
Hahahahahaha. Once again you make me laugh Tath in your response. We bow down before you oh great one. Why do you see greatness or not greatness, truth or falsehood, and how do you decide which is which? I hold up my index finger in response my friend.  Do you understand? We need a new yellow face for that. One with a little hand holding up a finger. |
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Post by question on Sept 6, 2011 16:52:35 GMT -5
Why do you see greatness or not greatness, truth or falsehood, and how do you decide which is which? I hold up my index finger in response my friend. Do you understand? We need a new yellow face for that. One with a little hand holding up a finger. Ja! In Deutschland we also hold up finger. Sometimes one finger, sometimes other finger. Look!    |
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Post by klaus on Sept 6, 2011 17:03:08 GMT -5
Ja, richtig! I am half german and like Kluas, I not luagh becuase I no huas zenze of humor. We especially no except exastential humor. Nein, kein humor! Now I go to oktoberfest with my schäferhund and we drink bier and plan for endsieg. Ja, Tat. Danke schoen, Question. Nur reichlich Bier und dann den Endsieg! Toast! |
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Post by vacant on Sept 6, 2011 17:04:00 GMT -5
the ego creates that which supports itself...for a time he may have been in egoless self, but when the ego comes back in so does the ideas that become real to you...for the crystal waver his ego came back in and shaped a reality that supported itself. nothing wrong with this, everybody does it until you stop being....here is a useful thought...how is the crystal waver waving his crystal helping you or hurting you? and why is it that some people believe he is a help to them and others, and others believe he is a hurt to themselves or others, which reality is true and who is it true for? No ego, no useful thought, no multiple realities and etc other figurative elaborations. If you would please transmit your wisdom, how about stick to facts and get on with the program? Or perhaps let the ball drop for a minute... never hurts anyone. You have lots to teach, and i guess so far you have done a great job of showing a living exemple of the spiritual trap. All is blessed in creation. Lovingly yours with thanks! |
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Post by vacant on Sept 6, 2011 17:10:19 GMT -5
Hahaha, I know those guys must be pointing at something, but silly me can only see the finger.
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Post by onehandclapping on Sept 6, 2011 17:28:20 GMT -5
Hahaha at questions post! That is awesome.
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Post by ivory on Sept 6, 2011 19:07:28 GMT -5
how do you go about deciding which self dilusion you will except as truth and which you will except as dishonesty? What role does judgment play is this Ivory? is being without judgment the only real self honesty? I don't know what you are referring to when you ask about judgement, perhaps you can elaborate. I don't think being without judgement is the only self-honesty. Acknowledging that you are judging is self-honesty, isn't it? |
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Post by ivory on Sept 6, 2011 19:10:10 GMT -5
Hmm, maybe you think I was judging max. I was referring to marlboro man. If I insulted marlboro man, I apologize.
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2011 20:38:38 GMT -5
Welp, it has to do with the movement of air masses as the sun heats the Earth. I'm sure you can Google it.  Thats how the wind blows...where is the why in the physics? Oh, that kind of why. Naw, Google and I can't help with that. Hehe. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2011 20:46:15 GMT -5
Don't trust what you think about your refection, trust what you already know yourself to be before you looked in the mirrors. It does seem like the crystal teacher trusted the latter ('what you already know yourself to be before you looked in the mirrors') for a time and that 'worked.' But then the reflection slowly seeped in and soon they were trusting the reflection again, 100%. The new reflections even had all sorts of cool new enlightenment-degree-detection tools to go with it. Never fails! lol. It's like the smell test didn't work anymore because they became desensitized to the new stink. So it seems like one shouldn't trust themselves 100% because that might lead one to swinging a crystal in peeps faces. Now just another annoying person trusting themselves 100%. Well, I do agree with you there, and I'm not big on trusting yourself or trusting your feeeeelings or trusting your heart because mind is usually in the middle of that looking for an excuse to be trusted. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2011 21:00:23 GMT -5
Max, one might appear to trust themselves, but if there is no self-honesty then it's just delusion. I think the self honesty, or questioning of one-self is the missing ingredient here. isnt it all self dilusion? if the appearence of seperate selves is a self dilusion then arent all things self dilusion? how do you go about deciding which self dilusion you will except as truth and which you will except as dishonesty? What role does judgment play is this Ivory? is being without judgment the only real self honesty? I wouldn't say the appearance of an individuated perspective (however you want to talk about that) is a self delusion, a delusion or even an illusion. Identification with it forms the self and this is an illusion. Deceptions that form around this self identification is what I would call self delusions, and so yes, honesty within that self identity is key to removing the self deceptions. Which is true and which is not within that context of self identification is a matter of self honesty, so it's not hidden or ambiguous. |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2011 21:07:18 GMT -5
Ja, richtig! I am half german and like Kluas, I not luagh becuase I no huas zenze of humor. We especially no except exastential humor. Nein, kein humor! Now I go to oktoberfest with my schäferhund and we drink bier and plan for endsieg. That's funny! Which is a contradicting paradox! ;D |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2011 21:10:35 GMT -5
Why do you see greatness or not greatness, truth or falsehood, and how do you decide which is which? I hold up my index finger in response my friend. Do you understand? We need a new yellow face for that. One with a little hand holding up a finger. Seems only fair that we should have a set of nondual smileys. ;D |
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Post by enigma on Sept 6, 2011 21:19:01 GMT -5
Hmm, maybe you think I was judging max. I was referring to marlboro man. If I insulted marlboro man, I apologize. I suspect it all began with some challenging comments you made about Tat, which resulted in you being thrown in the 'judgmental' box and the lid sealed. Henceforth, every reply to you will be designed to help you deal with that issue. Hehe. |
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