llama
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Post by llama on Jul 25, 2011 14:24:26 GMT -5
Visit No-self.com.
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Post by spinningdjinn on Jul 25, 2011 18:43:00 GMT -5
Can you sum it up for us here?
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Post by mamza on Jul 25, 2011 23:21:26 GMT -5
At first it sounded an awful lot like Ruthless Truth on a black background that you can't post on. It even has a lot of the same names.
They say a lot of stuff that seems true... but who knows if it is? Ha, I used Karen's 'highest truth'! Although I have to say, it motivated me to stay up for a few hours longer and stare at the walls.
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Post by jazz on Jul 26, 2011 4:09:45 GMT -5
So mamza, when staring at walls.. Do you focus on one point or is it just staring at the whole surface? I really want a point to focus on when doing it but then it seems too concentrated ? The no-self thing is weird. I liked trying out some of the experiments, cos I really like intellectual understanding  Sometimes there's a seeming removal of a fixed self but it's very fleeting, just a splitsecond or so and it's not exactly a revelation. Interesting, tough. Peeping through the fingers, ya know?  |
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Post by jazz on Jul 26, 2011 4:23:20 GMT -5
"I could go in there but I don't want to right now. Later, for sure!" It's a bit like jumping in the sea, which I sometimes do. The head says "noooooo", so the trick is to turn of the head and just do it. It's always surprising to see how the head made it worse than it actually is |
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Post by mamza on Jul 26, 2011 7:07:11 GMT -5
I guess it's more like seeing the entire field of vision at once. Sometimes specific objects just pull me in more than others. The best way I can explain how to do this is with hunting.
So basically, when you go hunting one of the things a lot of hunters do is unfocus their vision until everything comes into view. It makes it easy to pick up on movement and stuff, but what's going on is that they're focusing so intently on what they see that thoughts momentarily subside (to avoid distraction... don't want to miss that 12 point buck).
This is essentially what you want to do--focus on something so much that all of your thoughts shut down. It can be hard at first, so you could maybe do one of the things ZD suggests in his occasional post about attending the actual. Breath counting is a good one to start with because when you inevitably fall back into thinking, you'll forget what number you're on and notice how frequently you do that.
And most importantly: patience, padawan. This is key. Haha.
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Post by gone on Jul 26, 2011 15:05:06 GMT -5
the experience of no self is only a step along "the path". source is further than simply knowing that you are not your ego. iris said it several months back and for some reason i believed him so i kept looking. Truth is in you if you will allow yourself to acknowledge it, and when you see it, and YOU and only you can see it because if someone were to try to tell you, you would never believe it.
it is already yours so worrying about whether or not you will find Truth is a waste. Truth is yours now.
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Post by ivory on Jul 26, 2011 15:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by karen on Jul 26, 2011 15:25:01 GMT -5
I don't know about others but I go in like Rambo.
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Post by gone on Jul 26, 2011 15:49:00 GMT -5
you guys have fun "focusing on a point".
robert
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Post by therealfake on Jul 26, 2011 16:27:18 GMT -5
you guys have fun "focusing on a point". robert Hey robert, What's your 'point'...lol Ya just knew that was coming, didn't ya? |
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Post by gone on Jul 26, 2011 17:18:09 GMT -5
the pointless point is that any answer to my first post clearly establish that "i'm just a dude looking for attention", a crackpot, a fool which of course is true. all that i was doing was saying that 'ruthless truth' established, for me anyway, that it doesn't take an intellectual giant to realize the concept of no-self. many of the people here made the no-self leap a while back. all that i'm saying is, the path that really is no path doesn't end there.
i did write another post called "stopping", to which no one replied, and that is understandable most people have been searching for a long time. the idea of letting that go is just too much. anyway, i don't mind being the fool the idea of trying to impress a bunch of people i will never meet is laughable.
take care
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Post by therealfake on Jul 26, 2011 17:33:53 GMT -5
the pointless point is that any answer to my first post clearly establish that "i'm just a dude looking for attention", a crackpot, a fool which of course is true. all that i was doing was saying that 'ruthless truth' established, for me anyway, that it doesn't take an intellectual giant to realize the concept of no-self. many of the people here made the no-self leap a while back. all that i'm saying is, the path that really is no path doesn't end there. i did write another post called "stopping", to which no one replied, and that is understandable most people have been searching for a long time. the idea of letting that go is just too much. anyway, i don't mind being the fool the idea of trying to impress a bunch of people i will never meet is laughable. take care Sorry, I was away for a while and just read your post on stopping... I found it poignant and relevant to the theme of what is really, the 'egos' search for salvation... It's very similar to another one of my favorite concepts of 'stopping the world'... I like your clarity... Peace |
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Post by zendancer on Jul 26, 2011 18:05:40 GMT -5
Good post Robert. Actually, it doesn't matter whether one tries to stop or keeps on seeking. There is no individual behind either activity. Stopping just happens for some body/minds. Seeking with enormous persistence can also lead to stopping and/or the seeing-through what's going on (a fool who persists in his folly become wise?). Either way its a mystery when it happens. I, too, am a total fool, and I have no problem with that. It is amazing how much I don't know, and it isn't a result of dementia (yet). LOL. The truth is simply beyond belief, and to find the truth, all beliefs have to be thrown away. Empty empty empty. How wonderful! How unimaginable!
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Post by gone on Jul 26, 2011 18:54:14 GMT -5
exactly, what one encounters when stopping is an ego/self that is attached to the search, the arguing, the persisting, the "being right", the making others wrong. i have literally spent years behaving as if Truth were something to HAVE, to GET, to ACQUIRE. something special that others didn't have, and i couldn't have been more wrong. and only through trusting the universe did i come to see the universe and thus myself.
make no mistake the path will not end with the stopping, at first i thought it was a teacher testing a students(my) resolve. so his telling me to stop made me push harder. all that i could think was bull crap i am not giving up now i have too much into this, effort, time, tears....... when i finally came to see what he was saying i let go. what happened was i disengaged the brain i kicked it into neutral so to speak and that emptied my cup and the universe flooded me with itself. ( to use as many empty metaphors as possible in one sentence )
good luck to all of you. trust yourself.
robert
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Sometimes there's a seeming removal of a fixed self but it's very fleeting, just a splitsecond or so and it's not exactly a revelation. Interesting, tough. 
