Bye bye

[enigma]

Welp, it could be confusing to view them as messages being delivered by something somehow. Since they're your creations, (formed through the boundary conditioning there) they tend to take the form of explorations. You face an imaginary boundary of your own creation because that's where the power of your attention goes, and by attending to it, there is the potential to see through it. Once seen through, interest is lost and attention is turned toward some other inane boundary. Hehe.

Being interested in the boring is very....um.....interesting.

[cyberbluntz]

There is a self and there is not a self.

Am I right?

[dreamerrach]

Wrong si. That si in that link is decidedly more... umm uplifting?

[cyberbluntz]

www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/notself2.html

"In fact, the one place where the Buddha was asked point-blank whether or not there was a self, he refused to answer. When later asked why, he said that to hold either that there is a self or that there is no self is to fall into extreme forms of wrong view that make the path of Buddhist practice impossible."

It wasn't coined "The Middle Way" for nothing.

[mamza]

Apr 26, 2011 20:53:34 GMT -5 enigma said:

Welp, it could be confusing to view them as messages being delivered by something somehow. Since they're your creations, (formed through the boundary conditioning there) they tend to take the form of explorations. You face an imaginary boundary of your own creation because that's where the power of your attention goes, and by attending to it, there is the potential to see through it. Once seen through, interest is lost and attention is turned toward some other inane boundary. Hehe.

Being interested in the boring is very....um.....interesting.

I don't really see it as 'messages being delivered by something somehow,' I see it as something being seen through. But I'm entirely unclear about what you say after that. Is there a 3 year old version that maybe I'd get a little better?

And it isn't that I'm interested in boring stuff... I think video games and the like are awesome. But the...enthusiasm I had is gone. I still think they're fun, but there's this dragging, played-that-game-20-times feeling (even with new ones). Interest has just shifted somewhere else, leaving me a little lost and confused about what the hell to do all day.

[dreamerrach]

"If one identifies with all of nature, one is pained by every felled tree."

Really now? o.0

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 21:49:12 GMT -5 @dreamerrach said:

Wrong si. That si in that link is decidedly more... umm uplifting?

I think this is pretty 'uplifting'. ;D

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 22:18:06 GMT -5 @cyberbluntz said:

www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/thanissaro/notself2.html

"In fact, the one place where the Buddha was asked point-blank whether or not there was a self, he refused to answer. When later asked why, he said that to hold either that there is a self or that there is no self is to fall into extreme forms of wrong view that make the path of Buddhist practice impossible."

It wasn't coined "The Middle Way" for nothing.

Right. Hencely neither self nor not self.

[dreamerrach]

I imagine you find that quite uplifting.

But why isn't she talking about sports, huh??

[cyberbluntz]

Both, self and not self!

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 22:27:34 GMT -5 mamza said:

Apr 26, 2011 20:53:34 GMT -5 enigma said:

Welp, it could be confusing to view them as messages being delivered by something somehow. Since they're your creations, (formed through the boundary conditioning there) they tend to take the form of explorations. You face an imaginary boundary of your own creation because that's where the power of your attention goes, and by attending to it, there is the potential to see through it. Once seen through, interest is lost and attention is turned toward some other inane boundary. Hehe.

Being interested in the boring is very....um.....interesting.

I don't really see it as 'messages being delivered by something somehow,' I see it as something being seen through. But I'm entirely unclear about what you say after that. Is there a 3 year old version that maybe I'd get a little better?

And it isn't that I'm interested in boring stuff... I think video games and the like are awesome. But the...enthusiasm I had is gone. I still think they're fun, but there's this dragging, played-that-game-20-times feeling (even with new ones). Interest has just shifted somewhere else, leaving me a little lost and confused about what the hell to do all day.

So where has the interest gone and why have you not followed it instead of playing video games? Jed Mckenna said sumthin like, 'If you had one day to live, what would you be doing?.....and why the hell aren't you doing it?'

[cyberbluntz]

Did you guys get it?

"It wasn't coined "The Middle Way" for NOTHING?

Hehehe

[dreamerrach]

*feels hair ruffled* Hmm?

[mamza]

So where has the interest gone and why have you not followed it instead of playing video games? Jed Mckenna said sumthin like, 'If you had one day to live, what would you be doing?.....and why the hell aren't you doing it?'

That's an incredibly good point, but I suppose I'm not sure where it's gone entirely. I know where some of it's gone, but you can only play the bass for so long before you blister up. Other than that it's a mystery.

It's like when someone asks me what I want to do for a job, only it's what do I want to do five minutes from now? I haven't got the slightest clue, and it's irritating.

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 22:37:30 GMT -5 @dreamerrach said:

"If one identifies with all of nature, one is pained by every felled tree."

Really now? o.0

That was suggested in the context of identification with the 'interconnected self' of nature, and depending on what that means to the identifier, I spose it's true.