Bye bye

[michaelsees]

My last post for this forum
I can now see that there is nothing here for me. At first I thought well just maybe a few would open up their eyes and see the falsely in thinking that awakening is so simple and easy. The truth is it's not and it's rare and 99% of so called awaken teachers are not awake at all. They are conceptually awaken which I can do with anyone in 15 mins. I have to laugh it took Niz 3 years and under a truly awaken Guru to wake up and most of the active members here which amounts to less than 20 actually think awakening is a easy task.

My own take is ZD is closer to being awake than the rest.
Enigma a nice guy who wishes he was what he preaches as he's very good with words but that's as far as it goes with him IMO.
Mamza seems sincere to me could be a early bloomer. Teetown the same.
Max needs help with his ego and definitely has self-esteem issues.
Question is very bright and if he can get to not Question he will be very close to awakening.
Karen the Queen of one line posts which I feel is her safety net as not much in any post to really engage in but I see she is now expanding even up to 3 lines good for her.
Charliegee is amazing such a good soul.
Jazz is slowly getting it.
Souley comes and goes like a light bulb with a non regulated current passing through.
SameNothing is to new for me to enter a observation.
Ivory more or less like Mamza both of them have attitude Bruppy seems to have a very good handle on what it takes to awaken.
Dream yes the pissing contest is over. Dream has the highest ratio of posts vs Karma points only 86 posts and 6 karma very high and she deserves it .

I am sure there are some I missed. I wish everyone I mentioned the best and hope someday they will see what I see. When they finally do they will remember me and will see exactly what I have been posting here.

Much love to all even Max
Michael
By the time you see this post I will have left the group.

[abideinself]

Apr 14, 2011 17:49:39 GMT -5 @michaelsees said:

My last post for this forum
I can now see that there is nothing here for me. At first I thought well just maybe a few would open up their eyes and see the falsely in thinking that awakening is so simple and easy. The truth is it's not and it's rare and 99% of so called awaken teachers are not awake at all. They are conceptually awaken which I can do with anyone in 15 mins. I have to laugh it took Niz 3 years and under a truly awaken Guru to wake up and most of the active members here which amounts to less than 20 actually think awakening is a easy task.

My own take is ZD is closer to being awake than the rest.
Enigma a nice guy who wishes he was what he preaches as he's very good with words but that's as far as it goes with him IMO.
Mamza seems sincere to me could be a early bloomer. Teetown the same.
Max needs help with his ego and definitely has self-esteem issues.
Question is very bright and if he can get to not Question he will be very close to awakening.
Karen the Queen of one line posts which I feel is her safety net as not much in any post to really engage in but I see she is now expanding even up to 3 lines good for her.
Charliegee is amazing such a good soul.
Jazz is slowly getting it.
Souley comes and goes like a light bulb with a non regulated current passing through.
SameNothing is to new for me to enter a observation.
Ivory more or less like Mamza both of them have attitude Bruppy seems to have a very good handle on what it takes to awaken.
Dream yes the pissing contest is over. Dream has the highest ratio of posts vs Karma points only 86 posts and 6 karma very high and she deserves it .

I am sure there are some I missed. I wish everyone I mentioned the best and hope someday they will see what I see. When they finally do they will remember me and will see exactly what I have been posting here.

Much love to all even Max
Michael
By the time you see this post I will have left the group.

Wow so sorry to see you leave Michael. Your presence and contributions here added much. The main reason I kept returning was to see what you posted or uploaded for everyone.
You will be missed.

If you don't mind please take down my email. I really enjoyed the free downloads!
Namaste
Richard
[e-mail]

Note
Peter I do not see any new posts by Michael. Once you delete your account all your previous posts are shown as a "guest"

[bruppy]

HI michaelsees. what to do with this thing. I dont care what other people think, I know that this is hard, painful, scary, horrendously scary and it takes time, irrespective of the words - timeless and now - being fluttered around. Sure it all happens in the N word, but I feel if you understand this, then you'll understand why people are not agreeing with you. If you know it takes this thing. HONESTY< COURAGE and willingness to even die, and to be brought to that repetitively, then it is clear that those who do not share this view, have obviously not really begun. This is going to be the case, as you yourself said, it is rare, and it is easy to know the talk, know the things to say, the things not to say, but that is to be expected. Obviously you are working out what you are doing with all this. Perhaps leaving is part of that, but whatever, I might see you again here some time, or else where. You take care

PS, if this seems an arrogant view or judgmental, ABSOLUTELY. I dont care, I have begun, and know what it takes. Why should I deny such a thing, and why Michael should you be fussed if other people do not agree. Dont mean to be harsh, but perhaps you could be of help. I dont know.

[charliegee]

wishing you well, Michael ...

[Deleted]

hey Randy, happy trails to you! this all seems like small potatoes, eh?

but here's hoping you make up some good mashers or fries or whatever starchy delight suits your fancy.

bon appetit,
max

[dreamerrach]

Hmm Didn't think my pissing contest comment would lead to this.

You know, it takes at least two to have one of those, right?

We'll stay in touch, Randy.

[someNOTHING!]

Apr 16, 2011 9:52:12 GMT -5 @dreamerrach said:

Hmm Didn't think my pissing contest comment would lead to this.

You know, it takes at least two to have one of those, right?

Am I a culprit in this dream of some pissing contest? No, say it isn't so!

Some get tired when they've cut up the pie into so many pieces and then feel compelled to defend their perspectives on so many angles. It's probably just a minor collapse, and will rise again; likely using the familiar run on sentences on the ST message board.

[dreamerrach]

I'll point no fingers--but for such a spiritual board, there's a lot of pissing contests here . . .

[someNOTHING!]

Fair enough.

From your perspective, to avoid such pissing contests, what should spiritual boards talk about, try to clarify, and attempt to point to? What are the possible pitfalls of honestly attempting to do so?

[enigma]

Actually, i see very little in the way of pissing contests going on here, especially in contrast to other boards, though I suspect I'm seen as the biggest pisser of them all. Hehe. It can be difficult to know the motivations of those who challenge, disagree, argue, piss, whatever, and it may be erroneous to assume it's always about being right and winning. This is what the dearly departed assumed from his perspective of needing to be right and appreciated.

[dreamerrach]

Oh please. Don't read more into my words than are there. There are no taboo topics and there's no correct way to approach things. I have read much more than I have commented upon. I suppose one's own assumptions and intentions must be examined. Is it that you want to be right, or you want to know what the truth is?

[someNOTHING!]

>>Dream- Moi? I was just curious about your perspectives in light of the label you posted....which clearly pointed to certain perceived transgressions. It's a fair discussion that might add value.

[enigma]

I suspect I was the pisser that time. Hehe.

[dreamerrach]

roflol

You guys are silly.

someNOTHING!, No, I don't perceive any transgressions; not sure how that would be your understanding of what I said. I do see what appears to be jockeying for positions, which I ineloquently term a "pissing contest." I don't know what label you're referring to. But when it becomes about who is right more than what is right, then I think the value has been greatly diminished from any discussion. I don't give a damned if I am wrong--I have been wrong often, and I will be wrong again. I would rather know the truth than to be seen as right or enlightened or whatever. I don't care about labels, just content. Sarcasm is all well and good, but there's a point where it strangles and discourages open dialogue.

[klaus]

Someone once said, I don't recall who, this is about naked existence.
We all come here to be stripped naked.