Bye bye

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 22:45:10 GMT -5 @dreamerrach said:

I imagine you find that quite uplifting.

But why isn't she talking about sports, huh??

Sports??..........Oh, yeah...right......sports. I dunno.

[dreamerrach]

Apr 26, 2011 23:00:50 GMT -5 enigma said:

Apr 26, 2011 22:37:30 GMT -5 @dreamerrach said:

"If one identifies with all of nature, one is pained by every felled tree."

Really now? o.0

That was suggested in the context of identification with the 'interconnected self' of nature, and depending on what that means to the identifier, I spose it's true.

lol Same as saying "if it's true, it's true." Well allrighty then!

[dreamerrach]

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[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 22:46:15 GMT -5 @cyberbluntz said:

Both, self and not self!

The question is misconceived, and therefore a distraction, which is why Buddha didn't respond to it. There is existence, but it is utterly impersonal, nonlocal, all encompassing, and so the notion of self can have no meaning. Self and no self is one of those imagined paradoxes that mind loves so much.

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 22:57:55 GMT -5 mamza said:

So where has the interest gone and why have you not followed it instead of playing video games? Jed Mckenna said sumthin like, 'If you had one day to live, what would you be doing?.....and why the hell aren't you doing it?'

That's an incredibly good point, but I suppose I'm not sure where it's gone entirely. I know where some of it's gone, but you can only play the bass for so long before you blister up. Other than that it's a mystery.

It's like when someone asks me what I want to do for a job, only it's what do I want to do five minutes from now? I haven't got the slightest clue, and it's irritating.

I actually do understand that, and I'm pretty sure you know why the interest fell away. We could say interest is being followed spontaneously, but it's not. Something has itself jammed in between the spontaneous arising, and the spontaneous expression of that arising, and this jammed thingy is creating distraction and boredom and irritation rather than spontaneous movement.

Where would you be going if you weren't standing in the road playing traffic cop for God?......Okay, that might not register. What if mind didn't play mediator such that whatever happened next had to be directed by mind?

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 23:08:07 GMT -5 @dreamerrach said:

Apr 26, 2011 23:00:50 GMT -5 enigma said:

That was suggested in the context of identification with the 'interconnected self' of nature, and depending on what that means to the identifier, I spose it's true.

lol Same as saying "if it's true, it's true." Well allrighty then!

Well, yeah, not sure what the point was in mentioning the tree falling pain, and I'm too lazy to go back to the article and try to figure it out. My point is just that the answer to your question "Oh, really?" is 'Yeah, really.'

[dreamerrach]

I identify with humans yet am not harmed by every scraped knee.

[mamza]

Apr 26, 2011 23:32:00 GMT -5 enigma said:

Apr 26, 2011 22:57:55 GMT -5 mamza said:

That's an incredibly good point, but I suppose I'm not sure where it's gone entirely. I know where some of it's gone, but you can only play the bass for so long before you blister up. Other than that it's a mystery.

It's like when someone asks me what I want to do for a job, only it's what do I want to do five minutes from now? I haven't got the slightest clue, and it's irritating.

I actually do understand that, and I'm pretty sure you know why the interest fell away. We could say interest is being followed spontaneously, but it's not. Something has itself jammed in between the spontaneous arising, and the spontaneous expression of that arising, and this jammed thingy is creating distraction and boredom and irritation rather than spontaneous movement.

Where would you be going if you weren't standing in the road playing traffic cop for God?......Okay, that might not register. What if mind didn't play mediator such that whatever happened next had to be directed by mind?

You're saying that the belief in myself as a separate thing is picking and choosing between what is expressed? Traffic cop for god, ha! That's a good one. I think you might be right, though... there have been a few things that randomly spark, but it's usually something really weird. Like stopping on the side of the road and exploring the woods at a neat looking spot.

So I'm seeing what 'needs' to be done (not that anything NEEDS to), but this I thingie seeing that won't do it because what needs to be done doesn't suit it. I need to just do it. Hoboy things just got tough.

[mamza]

Time to get in on this joke business.

If I were to identify with all alien life-forms, would I receive telepathic communications?

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 23:42:06 GMT -5 @dreamerrach said:

I identify with humans yet am not harmed by every scraped knee.

But if you were identified with ALL of humanity, you would likely be PAINED by every DEATH.

[enigma]

Apr 26, 2011 23:47:27 GMT -5 mamza said:

Apr 26, 2011 23:32:00 GMT -5 enigma said:

I actually do understand that, and I'm pretty sure you know why the interest fell away. We could say interest is being followed spontaneously, but it's not. Something has itself jammed in between the spontaneous arising, and the spontaneous expression of that arising, and this jammed thingy is creating distraction and boredom and irritation rather than spontaneous movement.

Where would you be going if you weren't standing in the road playing traffic cop for God?......Okay, that might not register. What if mind didn't play mediator such that whatever happened next had to be directed by mind?

You're saying that the belief in myself as a separate thing is picking and choosing between what is expressed? Traffic cop for god, ha! That's a good one. I think you might be right, though... there have been a few things that randomly spark, but it's usually something really weird. Like stopping on the side of the road and exploring the woods at a neat looking spot.

So I'm seeing what 'needs' to be done (not that anything NEEDS to), but this I thingie seeing that won't do it because what needs to be done doesn't suit it. I need to just do it. Hoboy things just got tough.

Yeah, what are the odds that what was in the woods might just put the next video game to shame, eh?

There is an emptiness, and I'm talking about the absence of the traffic cop, in which the whole world comes to life, radiant and effervescent, drawing near and gently dissolving the boundaries that presently seem so real, and it doesn't matter what is actually happening. It's everywhere in all happenings.

You don't actually have to do anything, just stop directing traffic. Trust that everything already knows where it's going except you. Test it out if you have to, and just pay attention to what happens. What it amounts to is ending the search for happiness. Notice that you can't really succeed, that nobody has ever succeeded. Notice how you haven't fired yourself from that job yet. In that noticing there may be a relaxing; a space. If that can be done, there may also be a little sadness. It's okay, let it come. It really has nothing to do with you.
I'm not sure if that's where you are now or not, but maybe.

[Portto]

Apr 26, 2011 22:42:12 GMT -5 enigma said:

I think this is pretty 'uplifting'. ;D

Enigma, why do you lead us into temptation?

[enigma]

It's a dirty job but somebody's gotta do it!

[dreamerrach]

Just got that previous post was misinterpretted "just wanted kindling for the fire" referred to other poster, not own desires.

[souley]

Apr 26, 2011 22:27:34 GMT -5 mamza said:

I don't really see it as 'messages being delivered by something somehow,' I see it as something being seen through. But I'm entirely unclear about what you say after that. Is there a 3 year old version that maybe I'd get a little better?

And it isn't that I'm interested in boring stuff... I think video games and the like are awesome. But the...enthusiasm I had is gone. I still think they're fun, but there's this dragging, played-that-game-20-times feeling (even with new ones). Interest has just shifted somewhere else, leaving me a little lost and confused about what the hell to do all day.

Hey hey I'm a real gamer too. Probably spent more time gaming then studying and I have a masters in computer science It's really all falling away though just as you're saying. I have games that I like and want to play, but everything I'm used to doing gets less and less interesting. I often wonder what to do, since I don't really feel like doing anything, but I still get bored. I quit my job since I wanted more space (or something I don't know), and I'm not really interested in getting a new one either... It's all just falling away and it feels like I have to find a new way to relate to "doing". I found your and enigmas posts inspirational and right where I'm at so thanks.