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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 15:39:50 GMT -5
I don't actually have a goal, I just find it humorous that a man that wants to eliminate the whole of humanity within twenty years, can so easily be triggered by a non-agreement with his ideas. Because i see, as clearly as the tree outside my window, the immediate extinction of the species, that means i want it to happen? Your inability to remain objective is really starting to show. Will there still be a tree outside your window if your species has an immediate extinction?
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Post by roydop on Nov 30, 2019 15:49:20 GMT -5
Because i see, as clearly as the tree outside my window, the immediate extinction of the species, that means i want it to happen? Your inability to remain objective is really starting to show. Will there still be a tree outside your window if your species has an immediate extinction? Irrelevant
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2019 15:54:16 GMT -5
Will there still be a tree outside your window if your species has an immediate extinction? Irrelevant. We usually tell folks that there isn't a tree outside their window, that the tree and the window is in what they are.
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Post by roydop on Nov 30, 2019 17:25:19 GMT -5
We usually tell folks that there isn't a tree outside their window, that the tree and the window is in what they are. Oh, you're teaching me something. Nice.
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Post by laughter on Dec 1, 2019 5:37:34 GMT -5
Your thoughts took a dark turn as you were wrapping up. Maybe it's an unresolved emotional issue. (** shakes head sadly **)
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Post by laughter on Dec 1, 2019 5:43:04 GMT -5
People who start searching for the truth begin by assuming, incorrectly, that they've an SVP who needs to find something, understand something, or attain something. They don't realize what has initiated the search or what will either discover the truth, or not. Firstly, it's unavoidable for someone starting the search to think that they are anything but an SVP and secondly, it doesn't matter. If they are unfortunate enough to meet a teacher who keeps telling them that they are not an SVP then they are likely to make the mistake of constructing some kind of non SVP concept in its place which is still an SVP. So it's better to carry on being an SVP if that's what you think you are until such time that you discover you are not. No, people have all sorts of different ideas about their sense of identity. A rejection of the notion of free will isn't all that uncommon, historically speaking, and nowadays there are plenty of children who are being taught they are individuated parts of an infinite, interconnected whole, something like "spirit, in temporary human form". Those children are in the exact same boat as the ones being conditioned into SVP's.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 6:03:09 GMT -5
Firstly, it's unavoidable for someone starting the search to think that they are anything but an SVP and secondly, it doesn't matter. If they are unfortunate enough to meet a teacher who keeps telling them that they are not an SVP then they are likely to make the mistake of constructing some kind of non SVP concept in its place which is still an SVP. So it's better to carry on being an SVP if that's what you think you are until such time that you discover you are not. No, people have all sorts of different ideas about their sense of identity. A rejection of the notion of free will isn't all that uncommon, historically speaking, and nowadays there are plenty of children who are being taught they are individuated parts of an infinite, interconnected whole, something like "spirit, in temporary human form". Those children are in the exact same boat as the ones being conditioned into SVP's. That's my point. Mere ideas about identity are worthless.
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Post by andrew on Dec 1, 2019 6:06:31 GMT -5
Firstly, it's unavoidable for someone starting the search to think that they are anything but an SVP and secondly, it doesn't matter. If they are unfortunate enough to meet a teacher who keeps telling them that they are not an SVP then they are likely to make the mistake of constructing some kind of non SVP concept in its place which is still an SVP. So it's better to carry on being an SVP if that's what you think you are until such time that you discover you are not. No, people have all sorts of different ideas about their sense of identity. A rejection of the notion of free will isn't all that uncommon, historically speaking, and nowadays there are plenty of children who are being taught they are individuated parts of an infinite, interconnected whole, something like "spirit, in temporary human form". Those children are in the exact same boat as the ones being conditioned into SVP's. Nah. There's less of a bridge to cross You: there is no bridge Me: There is and there isn't You: ::insert gif:: (just trying to save us some time )
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Post by laughter on Dec 1, 2019 6:08:09 GMT -5
No, people have all sorts of different ideas about their sense of identity. A rejection of the notion of free will isn't all that uncommon, historically speaking, and nowadays there are plenty of children who are being taught they are individuated parts of an infinite, interconnected whole, something like "spirit, in temporary human form". Those children are in the exact same boat as the ones being conditioned into SVP's. That's my point. Mere ideas about identity are worthless. Not necessarily. Some sense of identity are more an obstacle than others, and despite that this point was made, the premise that everyone starting the search thinks they're an SVP is simply incorrect.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 6:12:33 GMT -5
That's my point. Mere ideas about identity are worthless. Not necessarily. Some sense of identity are more an obstacle than others, and despite that this point was made, the premise that everyone starting the search thinks they're an SVP is simply incorrect. If you knew you weren't an SVP you wouldn't be searching for anything because there wouldn't be an SVP to search for anything.
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Post by laughter on Dec 1, 2019 6:13:02 GMT -5
No, people have all sorts of different ideas about their sense of identity. A rejection of the notion of free will isn't all that uncommon, historically speaking, and nowadays there are plenty of children who are being taught they are individuated parts of an infinite, interconnected whole, something like "spirit, in temporary human form". Those children are in the exact same boat as the ones being conditioned into SVP's. Nah. There's less of a bridge to cross You: there is no bridge Me: There is and there isn't You: ::insert gif:: (just trying to save us some time ) True to some relative matter of degree, in this particular point in time, but anyone in any of these mind-created boats thinks they're dry. For as long as they're in it, anyways.
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Post by laughter on Dec 1, 2019 6:15:30 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Some sense of identity are more an obstacle than others, and despite that this point was made, the premise that everyone starting the search thinks they're an SVP is simply incorrect. If you knew you weren't an SVP you wouldn't be searching for anything because there wouldn't be an SVP to search for anything. That's just a clever mind spin. The seeker can always find a way to rationalize and reconcile their current sense of identity with what it is they think they're looking for. Worse yet, they might convince themselves they're not seeking.
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 6:17:18 GMT -5
If you knew you weren't an SVP you wouldn't be searching for anything because there wouldn't be an SVP to search for anything. That's just a clever mind spin. The seeker can always find a way to rationalize and reconcile their current sense of identity with what it is they think they're looking for. Worse yet, they might convince themselves they're not seeking. If you think that's just a spin then you're obviously still an SVP. If you speak to Enigma he'll tell you that it has to be seen through.
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Post by laughter on Dec 1, 2019 6:20:12 GMT -5
That's just a clever mind spin. The seeker can always find a way to rationalize and reconcile their current sense of identity with what it is they think they're looking for. Worse yet, they might convince themselves they're not seeking. If you think that's just a spin then you're obviously still an SV P. If you speak to Enigma he'll tell you that it has to be seen through. (** tsk tsk tsk **) .. always so quick to get personal ..
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Post by satchitananda on Dec 1, 2019 6:22:27 GMT -5
If you think that's just a spin then you're obviously still an SV P. If you speak to Enigma he'll tell you that it has to be seen through. (** tsk tsk tsk **) .. always so quick to get personal .. Non volitionally?
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