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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 19:54:22 GMT -5
But I had understood the failsafe before your edit (explaining it), how will I prove this now .. . ha! ha! you kant! Sounds like a double-bind: "why are you lying about this? " She's obviously got sumthin real bad she's trying to hide. Why else would she lie? It's flawless logic!
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 19:58:11 GMT -5
That view strikes me as rather arrogant, but of course by your logic, that would be a reflection of how I see myself, which leaves you perpetually innocent. As explained to laughter by giving another example .. if you or anyone suggests that I have a problem in believing in God then you are expressing in reflection of how you perceive God . If I supposedly have a problem with self association then whoever suggests that I have has their own problem with self association being a problem .. I understand what you're saying. I'm just saying it strikes me as arrogant to assume nobody can be right but you.
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 19:59:52 GMT -5
As explained to laughter by giving another example .. if you or anyone suggests that I have a problem in believing in God then you are expressing in reflection of how you perceive God . If I supposedly have a problem with self association then whoever suggests that I have has their own problem with self association being a problem .. Like water off a duck's back. I hate to say it, but sometimes he strikes me as a bit dense.
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 20:29:33 GMT -5
What makes you think that? The couple of examples I gave were an attempt to illustrate. The reason most people's focus moves backwards and forwards between....say 'abundance and lack' or 'happiness and unhappiness' is because their core knowledge is that abundance is finite, that happiness is only ever caused by outer conditions, and that they, themselves, are finite. Their knowledge creates a lack of stability, and an insecurity, and this is reflected in the way their focus moves in a very 'dualistic' manner. If one's core knowledge is that there is infinite potential, that there is an unconditional happiness of Being, that they themselves are fundamentally infinite, then this knowledge creates a stability, and focus ceases to swing backwards and forwards like a pendulum. I'm not saying either knowledge is necessarily 'true', but they each produce different experiential results, in fact the whole structure of the experience is quite different. In one way, the truth of these ideas is less important than the results. To me, the latter set of ideas definitely seems more true, but what do I know A focus on an idea brings the opposing idea into focus as well. It doesn't matter what the idea is. Ideas are defined by other ideas.
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 20:33:21 GMT -5
Prediction was made only those who goes there, Isn't it clear when he writes your father name and mother name, wouldn't he know that you would be arriving there as well? Yes, that's what I was wondering. There would be no point in making a prediction for those that aren't going to show up. So presumably, he must have written exactly the correct amount....? Can this be verified? Has anyone NOT shown up that was written for? I presume everyone who inquires from this moment on. I also presume that one can count the number of leaves that have not been given to someone.
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 20:36:16 GMT -5
When the ego feels under threat as is obviously the case from your numerous posts, the body bristles with pain. Therein lies the opportunity to step back and investigate the nature of the experiencer of that pain. Pain can be useful. But perhaps you'll think that's just another spiritual platitude of some kind. Go on then, run along. There's much healing to be done. you are always in the part of the whole movement in this universe, you can't step back to analyse something. You mean like you've been doing since you got here?
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 20:43:21 GMT -5
Not to analyze, just to know it. I am not analyzing anything, Life never gives the control to you to step back or step in, Aren't you always in present movement perception? I don't think I heard you right. I thought I heard you say you're not analyzing anything. Isn't that wacky?
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 20:45:12 GMT -5
Yes, that's what I was wondering. There would be no point in making a prediction for those that aren't going to show up. So presumably, he must have written exactly the correct amount....? Can this be verified? Has anyone NOT shown up that was written for? How can you know about someone who has never shown up? Most probably date might not be there. I thought the appropriate leaves were given to the one who inquires.
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 20:51:02 GMT -5
What makes you think I fail to see that? Certain characters are there to act for a particular purpose, So whatever happens is an intentional act of universe, that's what I said perfect unfolding. You think I see the unfolding as imperfect? What gave you that idea?
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 2, 2015 20:54:38 GMT -5
You are creating your own limitations.. spontaneous volition happens through every experiencer, some choose to imagine otherwise.. you are talking two opposite things happens at the same time. You're seeing two opposite things where there is no opposition..
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 2, 2015 21:12:09 GMT -5
Why there is a problem when I conclude something from waking dream? Isn't that pretty stable? Creation and perception are the same. It might seem so to you, but.. if someone sneaks up behind you and smacks you with a stick, who created the perception/feeling of the stick smacking you?.. did the feeling of the stick striking you flow from your thought?..
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Post by tzujanli on Jun 2, 2015 21:18:54 GMT -5
No not a personal God, that would be a perspective of Consciousness from the point of view of the manifest, the illusion. The point is why did God dream and fall into his dream? Was he unhappy about being alone? The question implies a personal God. (A God person, an entity that thinks, feels and acts as a person does)God falling into his own dream is poetic metaphor. We could say Intelligence expresses creatively and attends to that creation, and attention is held there by the creation, entranced by the movement of it's own perception. That's not what the question implies, that's your interpretation of the question's implication.. i sense it's about any being's curiosity about it own existence, and the willingness to honestly explore that existence..
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 21:51:53 GMT -5
Huh? Oh, you deleted part of my sentence. In case that's payback for me deleting parts of your posts, I do that to try to reduce the spitting and focus on the issues. You're painting illusions, again.. i edited your post to reduce the imagined BS you paint with.. Your use of the term 'spitting' is your way of painting illusions about Tzu, but there's simply none of the emotion/intent you want others to believe when you use that term.. what you are angry about is seeing your own reflection.. I'm not angry. Your spitting is just childish nonsense, and we've had enough years of it.
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Post by enigma on Jun 2, 2015 22:01:44 GMT -5
I wasn't suggesting anything about beliefs, false or otherwise, nor was I discussing a solution to counterproductive thoughts. I was simply saying that all feelings are preceded by thought, however subtle or unconscious. That is your 'belief', unsupportable, and yet you remain attached to it.. no different than the 'levitation hoppers' believing they are flying, you are attached to your mind's imaginings.. there's an amazing surprise in store for you if/when you actually experience the clarity of a still mind's awareness, feeling without thought.. I'm already surprised that you cannot see the reasons for many of your feelings. The next time a mysterious feeling happens for no reason, try quieting your mind and inquiring as to the cause.
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Post by figgles on Jun 2, 2015 22:14:16 GMT -5
If the end result is the end of fighting against life, does it matter what you call it, or how you got there? If waking up was only about the end of fighting with life, then yes, it seems that he's made some progress. Though as waking up is about ending the fight with your self, from within, because there isn't one.. .. my statement still stands. If the fight with life ends, then surely that includes a fight with 'self', from within? Why divvy experience up like that? When Peace prevails, it matters not whether you say there is a self or there isn't. It 's a mute point.
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