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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:33:53 GMT -5
But I didn't write " only their body/mind", and to make this point more clear, what I'd say is that we can break down the notion of any sense of stated identity into various components, some of these material, some of them not. Ultimately the question becomes, what are the limiting parameters of of that self-image?Yes, I'd agree with that. Thing is though, it's truly difficult to say from simply hearing one's description about what they are. Far better to just to ask them, Do you feel free? Do you experience life in general as being largely problematic, or are you mostly feeling peaceful, easy, happy? It really is a simple as that.(That question is another part of my survey fwiw..some answers you & others here might find surprising...& most of those out of the mouths of the tweens & teens ) I'm mostly interested in the correlation (if any) between how folks see themselves and how fraught their experience is with suffering. Thanks..some cool ideas there....I actually enjoy the research part of it though, and although have plans on eventually having the book published, am writing mostly for my own enjoyment, so no big irons in the fire there in that sense. It's fair of you to say so. yes. yes. Thanks, but that would amount to a debate based upon comparisons of my world experience vs. your world experience, and that's pretty much like debating about what flavour of ice cream is most 'real'. Well, it's an interesting topic and there's certainly room for some measure of objectivity. Comparing experience is always 2nd-hand and abstracted, of course, but there are some obvious very pertinent facts that apply.
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Post by figgles on Jun 2, 2015 12:38:56 GMT -5
I used to go to church a long time ago and be in a room full of people who didn't think they were just a body. yup. Me too. Some were suffering greatly, others not. Maybe what we think we are or are not doesn't have so much to do with being free after all..? yes. Even thinking you are beyond mind..mind stuff. Where the significance lies is in one's overall experience of life. Are they loving it? Or feeling as though they must fight their way through, one problem only to arrive at the next? black or white, eh? All you are saying there, is that you know or have met lots of folks who have woo woo feelings about spirituality, and they still are not free. I see any teaching that results in a lessening of 'fight with life' to be valid and authentic, regardless of approach. The approach really doesn't matter at all if the end result is an increase in actually "being" free. hehe..no not so much really. And I don't so much see you putting yourself in a superior position, (although indeed that is happening), but more you are supposing to know the precise path, or lack thereof, that one must follow for 'being free' to happen. When you poo-poo any path, you are essentially supposing to know 'the wrong way' to freedom. If there is no fixed, guaranteed way, then there is also no saying this or that path leads nowhere. In the end, all paths lead to Rome...unless they don't. That said, any increase in the sense of being free,even if it's only fleeting, is in my estimation, always worth celebrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:39:25 GMT -5
Not only that, but by E's logic human consensus is responsible for imposing gravity on all planets and stars in the Universe. Despite an alien consensus to the contrary. These dudes?? No this kind...
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Post by figgles on Jun 2, 2015 12:43:04 GMT -5
You're the one imagining Wren. Tenka hasn't boasted about having gained anything that makes him special, rather, he speaks about previous problems, no longer being problematic. The end result sounds pretty much in line with what others here say about SR. Incorrect: Grace calls upon those that deserve grace tis by merit for use of a better word . Still not seeing the kind of boasting that is inherent in the kind of 'merit' Wren seems to be referencing.
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:50:11 GMT -5
What do those lightweights care 'bout gravity?? ... it barely grabs'em at all.
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:56:05 GMT -5
Still not seeing the kind of boasting that is inherent in the kind of 'merit' Wren seems to be referencing. Certain practices with the right credentials make it happen . Practice without the right credentials is just practice .
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:57:46 GMT -5
No, wait, 2nd thought. Peeps are Earthlings.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 13:16:11 GMT -5
What do those lightweights care 'bout gravity?? ... it barely grabs'em at all. They are the self realized peeps and on a mission to change the consensus of us gravity lovers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 13:20:18 GMT -5
No, wait, 2nd thought. Peeps are Earthlings. No, that is just their appearance, they are making a concession for the folks who don't believe in life on other planets.
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Post by zin on Jun 2, 2015 14:24:11 GMT -5
But I had understood the failsafe before your edit (explaining it), how will I prove this now .. . Oh, sure.....we believe you.....don't we? ***Looks around at others and shakes head up and down*** **Z returns to the pure heart**
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 15:12:33 GMT -5
There isn't anything to be written without Oxygen, it is your Breath of Life. I was relating oxygen as the ingredient that purifies the river .. Without the oxygen in this instance there would be nothing to purify the river with .. What would result in would be a river that is not pure . If you are relating to oxygen as being one's breath of life then I can agree with your thoughts . I know it's a tall ask, though if you'll take the time to notice. The river doesn't actually need purifying, it just doesn't need your insistence that it was polluted.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 15:16:36 GMT -5
You do love finding self work to do. There is merit imagined at the end of your endless endurance tests. And this merit is what you are trying to parade in the forums. None of those points are without foundation. You're the one imagining Wren. Tenka hasn't boasted about having gained anything that makes him special, rather, he speaks about previous problems, no longer being problematic. The end result sounds pretty much in line with what others here say about SR.I don' think so.
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Post by AlphaA on Jun 2, 2015 15:41:34 GMT -5
You're the one imagining Wren. Tenka hasn't boasted about having gained anything that makes him special, rather, he speaks about previous problems, no longer being problematic. The end result sounds pretty much in line with what others here say about SR.I don' think so. Great philosophy to form your individuality by Wren!
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 16:11:40 GMT -5
What do those lightweights care 'bout gravity?? ... it barely grabs'em at all. They are the self realized peeps and on a mission to change the consensus of us gravity lovers. "Us" Kemosabe??
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 16:19:19 GMT -5
Try this the other way round. Instead of asking to be shown a violation. Notice how often you see a pattern and give to it the status of a Law. That doesn't even arises in my mind, all I know is, I can't violate, If I try I would fail eventually. If it's only just arisen, then how can you already know anything about it?
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