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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:51:45 GMT -5
Oh please figs, what you are talking about reminds me of the kind of conversations I had as a youngster, best conducted when high on something, when we could speculate on wow, I'm just a speck in the universe, maybe there are whole universes on the head of this pin. Yes I do feel more than just this body. You only had those conversations while high? Interesting. I've found that the majority of folks I engage, (all stone cold sober btw) and actually quite excited to be asked such questions, and react with sincerity and seriousness in response to the question, "What are you"? The teens in particular, really opened up and on one occassion, as the group of them wandered off to the skateboard park, I could hear them still bantering the subject about. I see those types of conversations as being extremely important at all ages....certainly not just one to have when young & high. I'm a bit surprised you'd think that actually, considering you place so much importance upon SR. yes, I agree. My point was in response to Laffy saying this: Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world?page=209#ixzz3bvH7oftcAnd yes, expressing a sense of being 'something more' may indeed still not be the end all and be all of 'freedom', but it's not the end all and be all of being shackled to an identity of body/mind only either. I used to go to church a long time ago and be in a room full of people who didn't think they were just a body. This is all mind stuff. You are attaching too much significance to these casual conversations that people have and are quickly forgotten. Sorry, I don't have the time or inclination to entertain such compromises these days. Many people go through their whole lives having woo woo feelings about spirituality which gets them nowhere. I am not interested in promoting your kind of soft fuzzy reasonable approach. It amounts to nothing and does a disservice to those who may be receptive to authentic teaching. Now that remark will rattle you because you will assume I am putting myself in a superior position. That's unavoidable, but certainly survivable.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:56:51 GMT -5
Infinite potential is just a concept that you've made up. Humans will never fly under their own power because they are appearances that come and go. Appearances are neither infinite nor do they have any potential. I'm not saying an appearance has infinite potential. I'm saying anything can appear. What do you see as the boundaries for what can appear, and how are those limitations determined? Nothing can appear unless we have knowledge of it, otherwise we wouldn't even notice it.
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:02:03 GMT -5
You do love finding self work to do. There is merit imagined at the end of your endless endurance tests. And this merit is what you are trying to parade in the forums. None of those points are without foundation. You're the one imagining Wren. Tenka hasn't boasted about having gained anything that makes him special, rather, he speaks about previous problems, no longer being problematic. The end result sounds pretty much in line with what others here say about SR. Incorrect: Grace calls upon those that deserve grace tis by merit for use of a better word .
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Post by stardustpilgrim on Jun 2, 2015 12:03:20 GMT -5
You only had those conversations while high? Interesting. I've found that the majority of folks I engage, (all stone cold sober btw) and actually quite excited to be asked such questions, and react with sincerity and seriousness in response to the question, "What are you"? The teens in particular, really opened up and on one occassion, as the group of them wandered off to the skateboard park, I could hear them still bantering the subject about. I see those types of conversations as being extremely important at all ages....certainly not just one to have when young & high. I'm a bit surprised you'd think that actually, considering you place so much importance upon SR. yes, I agree. My point was in response to Laffy saying this:Read more: spiritualteachers.proboards.com/thread/4132/world?page=209#ixzz3bvH7oftcAnd yes, expressing a sense of being 'something more' may indeed still not be the end all and be all of 'freedom', but it's not the end all and be all of being shackled to an identity of body/mind only either. I used to go to church a long time ago and be in a room full of people who didn't think they were just a body. This is all mind stuff. You are attaching too much significance to these casual conversations that people have and are quickly forgotten. Sorry, I don't have the time or inclination to entertain such compromises these days. Many people go through their whole lives having woo woo feelings about spirituality which gets them nowhere. I am not interested in promoting your kind of soft fuzzy reasonable approach. It amounts to nothing and does a disservice to those who may be receptive to authentic teaching. Now that remark will rattle you because you will assume I am putting myself in a superior position. That's unavoidable, but certainly survivable. Good Family Feud question: We asked 100 people: What are you?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:07:31 GMT -5
We're all responsible for gravity. We wouldn't have it any other way, so we don't. Now you're flipping contexts and changing your mind about whose fault it is. Evil frog. Not only that, but by E's logic human consensus is responsible for imposing gravity on all planets and stars in the Universe. Despite an alien consensus to the contrary.
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:11:42 GMT -5
Hmmm. No, I can't 'congruently' believe that. Just as I can't 'congruently' believe the moon is made of cheese.
There is stuff that I congruently believe though that some people might think is crazy. you know when I am arguing with you, many funny stories are being unfolded, that's why I like your writing very much, Do you hear my heavy laughing because I am reading the bolder line above
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:13:27 GMT -5
I believed Super consciousness(common to all) and it has all the probable universe within itself and private higher self and sub-consciousness and consciousness. Okay, I sort of understand. At that point did you believe that you could manifest things that you don't believe that you can manifest now? I can't manifest anything which I believe I can't manifest.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:14:52 GMT -5
The question implies a personal God. (A God person, an entity that thinks, feels and acts as a person does) God falling into his own dream is poetic metaphor. We could say Intelligence expresses creatively and attends to that creation, and attention is held there by the creation, entranced by the movement of it's own perception. Who's we? You and Enigma Or all people together.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:15:40 GMT -5
I'm not saying an appearance has infinite potential. I'm saying anything can appear. What do you see as the boundaries for what can appear, and how are those limitations determined? Nothing can appear unless we have knowledge of it, otherwise we wouldn't even notice it. You don't understand what he means by appearance then.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:18:56 GMT -5
You and Enigma Or all people together. This is the first time this 'We' has seen Enigma's premise and it's certainly not one that I have entertained.
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:19:07 GMT -5
The question implies a personal God. (A God person, an entity that thinks, feels and acts as a person does) God falling into his own dream is poetic metaphor. We could say Intelligence expresses creatively and attends to that creation, and attention is held there by the creation, entranced by the movement of it's own perception. Who's we?
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Post by figgles on Jun 2, 2015 12:21:56 GMT -5
But I didn't write " only their body/mind", and to make this point more clear, what I'd say is that we can break down the notion of any sense of stated identity into various components, some of these material, some of them not. Ultimately the question becomes, what are the limiting parameters of of that self-image?Yes, I'd agree with that. Thing is though, it's truly difficult to say from simply hearing one's description about what they are. Far better to just to ask them, Do you feel free? Do you experience life in general as being largely problematic, or are you mostly feeling peaceful, easy, happy? It really is a simple as that.(That question is another part of my survey fwiw..some answers you & others here might find surprising...& most of those out of the mouths of the tweens & teens ) I'm mostly interested in the correlation (if any) between how folks see themselves and how fraught their experience is with suffering. Thanks..some cool ideas there....I actually enjoy the research part of it though, and although have plans on eventually having the book published, am writing mostly for my own enjoyment, so no big irons in the fire there in that sense. It's fair of you to say so. yes. yes. Thanks, but that would amount to a debate based upon comparisons of my world experience vs. your world experience, and that's pretty much like debating about what flavour of ice cream is most 'real'.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:23:04 GMT -5
Nothing can appear unless we have knowledge of it, otherwise we wouldn't even notice it. You don't understand what he means by appearance then. What would an appearance look like to you if you had never seen it before? If you couldn't label it by size, a color, or shape, or apply all your accumulated knowledge to it, what would it appear as? He's saying anything can appear, I'm saying we have to have prior knowledge of that anything or we won't see it. So long story short 'anything' appearing can't be outside of our knowing of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 12:25:30 GMT -5
You don't understand what he means by appearance then. What would an appearance look like to you if you had never seen it before? If you couldn't label it by size, a color, or shape, or apply all your accumulated knowledge to it, what would it appear as? Oh Man, you keep on making fun, You are not asking what he means by the word 'appearance' rather you are ascribing your own meaning and asking me something
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Post by laughter on Jun 2, 2015 12:27:56 GMT -5
Now you're flipping contexts and changing your mind about whose fault it is. Evil frog. Not only that, but by E's logic human consensus is responsible for imposing gravity on all planets and stars in the Universe. Despite an alien consensus to the contrary. These dudes??
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