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Post by veter on Apr 21, 2015 5:37:14 GMT -5
A model can be practical or not. I meant that. The term "accurately" is very abstract, who can set criteria? The accuracy depends on how sharp intellect is. Far as i can tell, anyone can set any criteria they like. So, thoughts("mind models") can be either practical or not. Ok, i get that. This i don't get...the accuracy...the accuracy of what? Not important, forget
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Post by laughter on Apr 21, 2015 6:39:06 GMT -5
(and it seems you have a limited knowledge of the subject as you state there are only two styles.Incorrect, veter stated that there "different" styles, not that there are only two.
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Post by laughter on Apr 21, 2015 6:41:03 GMT -5
A model can be practical or not. I meant that. The term "accurately" is very abstract, who can set criteria? The accuracy depends on how sharp intellect is. Far as i can tell, anyone can set any criteria they like. So, thoughts("mind models") can be either practical or not. Ok, i get that. This i don't get...the accuracy... the accuracy of what? That's up to you to say, as you're the one who introduced the concept of accuracy into the dialog.
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Post by laughter on Apr 21, 2015 6:46:47 GMT -5
It appears to me that you prefer to beat around the bush. In your analogy you clearly state no style of painting is accurate, (and it seems you have a limited knowledge of the subject as you state there are only two styles. Unless of course, the painting analogy is referring to your's and my thoughts on a subject...two.) Anyways... In your analogy you clearly state no style of painting is accurate, but when you speak of thoughts("mental models"), you use the term "practical or not." I'll go along with you... So are you saying any creations coming from your mind are not practical for accurately describing existence? A model can be practical or not. I meant that. The term "accurately" is very abstract, who can set criteria? The accuracy depends on how sharp intellect is. Yes every model has a context, and the notion of accuracy is only relevant relative to that context. Another criteria of a model is the purpose of it's function. The purpose of the function of a model of existence is to rationalize and explain what appears to us as the phenomena of the senses. What we see, hear, taste, feel and smell doesn't require explanation.
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Post by veter on Apr 21, 2015 7:27:53 GMT -5
(and it seems you have a limited knowledge of the subject as you state there are only two styles.Incorrect, veter stated that there "different" styles, not that there are only two. Yes! precisely
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Post by veter on Apr 21, 2015 7:33:28 GMT -5
A model can be practical or not. I meant that. The term "accurately" is very abstract, who can set criteria? The accuracy depends on how sharp intellect is. Yes every model has a context, and the notion of accuracy is only relevant relative to that context. Another criteria of a model is the purpose of it's function. The purpose of the function of a model of existence is to rationalize and explain what appears to us as the phenomena of the senses. What we see, hear, taste, feel and smell doesn't require explanation. Yes! Right! I'd say describe, not explain. The word "explain" for me has a taste of "this is absolute truth", but explainig is constructing of mental models
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Post by laughter on Apr 21, 2015 7:51:56 GMT -5
Yes every model has a context, and the notion of accuracy is only relevant relative to that context. Another criteria of a model is the purpose of it's function. The purpose of the function of a model of existence is to rationalize and explain what appears to us as the phenomena of the senses. What we see, hear, taste, feel and smell doesn't require explanation. Yes! Right! I'd say describe, not explain. The word "explain" for me has a taste of "this is absolute truth", but explainig is constructing of mental models What's interesting to observe is how the process of mind reacts to statements of the form: the absence of a model, isn't a model.
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Post by veter on Apr 21, 2015 7:58:05 GMT -5
Yes! Right! I'd say describe, not explain. The word "explain" for me has a taste of "this is absolute truth", but explainig is constructing of mental models What's interesting to observe is how the process of mind reacts to statements of the form: the absence of a model, isn't a model. Can't understand, what did you mean by that
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Post by laughter on Apr 21, 2015 8:10:27 GMT -5
What's interesting to observe is how the process of mind reacts to statements of the form: the absence of a model, isn't a model. Can't understand, what did you mean by that Forget about it for now, maybe we'll come back to it another time.
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Post by jay17 on Apr 22, 2015 6:19:40 GMT -5
Yes! precisely There are different styles of painting, which one is accurate? Neither of them, they are just different ways for expressing. We can only discuss if a mental model is practical or not, nothing more. Neither - Not either; not one or the other. Precisely !
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Post by veter on Apr 22, 2015 7:42:06 GMT -5
Yes! precisely There are different styles of painting, which one is accurate? Neither of them, they are just different ways for expressing. We can only discuss if a mental model is practical or not, nothing more. Neither - Not either; not one or the other. Precisely ! It was my little mistake
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Post by jay17 on Apr 22, 2015 17:01:46 GMT -5
It was my little mistake Which led to your huge conviction i was wrong\made a huge mistake\misinterpreted your words. Big mistakes are easy to spot\be aware of. It's the little ones, the ones that self consciously or unconsciously judges as unimportant, they are the ones that can lead a person astray, if unseen or ignored. A Zen story... After ten years of apprenticeship, Tenno achieved the rank of Zen teacher. One rainy day, he went to visit the famous master Nan-in. When he walked in, the master greeted him with a question, “Did you leave your wooden clogs and umbrella on the porch?” “Yes,” Tenno replied. “Tell me,” the master continued, “did you place your umbrella to the left of your shoes, or to the right?” Tenno did not know the answer, and realized that he had not yet attained full awareness. So he became Nan-in’s apprentice and studied under him for ten more years.
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Post by laughter on Apr 22, 2015 21:40:06 GMT -5
Neither - Not either; not one or the other. Precisely ! It was my little mistake No, not really. What jay did was to focus on one word, "neither", and thereby infer a meaning in what you wrote that you didn't intend. It's true that "none" would have conveyed the intent better, but such a narrow focus is what we refer to around here with the humorous term "word lawyering".
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Post by veter on Apr 23, 2015 0:52:23 GMT -5
It was my little mistake No, not really. What jay did was to focus on one word, "neither", and thereby infer a meaning in what you wrote that you didn't intend. It's true that "none" would have conveyed the intent better, but such a narrow focus is what we refer to around here with the humorous term "word lawyering". "Word lawyering" I'll try to remember this term I know this phenomenon, I was ill with it and it happens to me sometimes. It's one of tendencies of dualistic mind (thinking): to separate, to divede, to argue, to fight.
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Post by veter on Apr 23, 2015 0:58:21 GMT -5
It was my little mistake No, not really. What jay did was to focus on one word, "neither", and thereby infer a meaning in what you wrote that you didn't intend. It's true that "none" would have conveyed the intent better, but such a narrow focus is what we refer to around here with the humorous term "word lawyering". You've passed my words through your heart (awareness), that's why you could feel my intention. He's passed words through dualistic mind and started to fight with mind ghosts
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