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Post by tzujanli on Mar 7, 2015 6:28:17 GMT -5
Wait.. the R statement isn't accurate.. you don't remember realizations? you can't convey realization to others?.. and, you can create experiences at will, really?, and this is what you 'will': why don't you start with world peace, cure cancer, that sorta stuff?Correct. Realizations are non-conceptual. If you don't remember realizations, you couldn't spend 38k posts preaching about them, you couldn't remember there was a realization about ropes/snakes/mirages.. which is you trying to convey what you think is a realization.. your talk and walk don't jive.. What about creating experiences at will?.. you conveniently left that out of the post you quoted..
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Post by enigma on Mar 8, 2015 21:09:49 GMT -5
Conveying it to others and creating it at will. (Self Realization) In my experience, Self-Realization is not a process of the minds space time continuum; remembering, conveying and creating. But rather SR is inseparable from the here and now. That being said, I'm not sure if I understand your question. The original question is way past it's expiration date. However, I'm curious. How would you respond if I said, you can't pat your head and rub your belly at the same time because you don't need to?
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Post by enigma on Mar 8, 2015 21:21:42 GMT -5
Correct. Realizations are non-conceptual. If you don't remember realizations, you couldn't spend 38k posts preaching about them, you couldn't remember there was a realization about ropes/snakes/mirages.. which is you trying to convey what you think is a realization.. your talk and walk don't jive.. Well, I don't remember any realization about ropes/snakes/mirages. They just relate to well known examples of illusions. I do remember the conceptual versions of realizations, but the realizations themselves always have to be seen directly because they are non-conceptual. When I talk about them, that's what I do. I left it out because it didn't interest me. I don't see where anybody creates experiences at will, unless we're talking about daydreaming or sumthin.
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Post by figgles on Mar 8, 2015 21:38:10 GMT -5
In my experience, Self-Realization is not a process of the minds space time continuum; remembering, conveying and creating. But rather SR is inseparable from the here and now. That being said, I'm not sure if I understand your question.
The original question is way past it's expiration date. However, I'm curious. How would you respond if I said, you can't pat your head and rub your belly at the same time because you don't need to? Yeah..same could said about my question about the supposed 'lie' I put forth re: the carrot discussion.
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Post by tzujanli on Mar 9, 2015 5:19:07 GMT -5
If you don't remember realizations, you couldn't spend 38k posts preaching about them, you couldn't remember there was a realization about ropes/snakes/mirages.. which is you trying to convey what you think is a realization.. your talk and walk don't jive.. Well, I don't remember any realization about ropes/snakes/mirages. They just relate to well known examples of illusions. I do remember the conceptual versions of realizations, but the realizations themselves always have to be seen directly because they are non-conceptual. When I talk about them, that's what I do. I left it out because it didn't interest me. I don't see where anybody creates experiences at will, unless we're talking about daydreaming or sumthin. You used the rope/snake/mirage reference to explain that your idea of 'realization' is when the experiencer 'realizes' it's not what they thought it was.. which is wholly dependent on the experience in the instant of the realization..
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